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[Kooky Carter]

tl;dr

Do you override shutdowns to go down fighting? If someone dies by overriding a shutdown are you upset about it? Do you think this is technically against CoC (if you are going to respond to this last question then actually read the post)?

Actual post;

I have a situation to pose towards everyone because this has become a recent issue in recent games for me. First of all, if this is in the wrong sub-forum please move it; I'm not really sure where anything goes in these forums...last time I posted was well before the forums were rearranged.

The Situation (no, not from Jersey Shore):

You are the last person standing on your team and you are facing more opponents then you are capable of taking on by yourself or you have managed to get separated from your main group and are in a position where you know that you're going to die. Do you override your auto-shutdown to continue shooting until either they kill you or you overheat your self to death?

I almost always do this. If you have no way of getting out of the situation then your job is to incur as much damage to the other team as possible before you die. That's what I believe and that is what I do almost every time. Recently, I have come across many opponents who will type into all chat "*** u" and similar things because their kill has been 'stolen'.

What's your opinion?

From my understanding overriding a shutdown is not technically against the CoC. Repeatedly killing yourself from overriding a shutdown is but only if it is disrupting gameplay and if you're using it in this type of situation and not just suiciding like going OoB then I don't see how it is disrupting gameplay. If killing yourself from overriding a shutdown is against the CoC in this situation then there is next to no point of having this feature. And if the issue is that people don't get the kill then they should change a death from an overridden shutdown from a suicide to the kill going to the last person to shoot the person dying.

Sorry about the long post - didn't think it would be so long. Also, if there could be a clarification about the CoC and overriding shutdown could be clarified by someone in an official manner it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

(edit - silly errors)

Edited by Kooky Carter, 18 January 2014 - 08:37 PM.

[Whatzituyah]

I think if you override shutdown the last person who hit you should get the kill.

[Veranova]

At least in my line of play (Lights) Over-riding shutdown before actually overheating is an incredibly stupid thing to do, since you will die in one salvo.
I could see some larger mechs being able to survive, but in a Jenner you might as-well just shut-down and save your internals in the hope that you can restart and get another one off, because your internals will blow out in one - over 100% - salvo anyway.

[Kooky Carter]

Yeah, I don't think I've ever over-ridden in a light 'mech. Only in Heavies and Assaults when I have no armor at that point anyway. Occasionally in Mediums but normally once I've been legged.

[Threat Doc]

Hitting override while deep in the fight is not against the Code of Conduct at all... it's part of the fight. It's when you fire everything rapidly and hit override, without going after a target, or even being part of the fight, that it's against the CoC. I don't know what sort of coward would do the latter, but the former is honorable and not against the spirit of the game, so why would it be against CoC?

[Dirus Nigh]

I have never hit the over ride button in MWO. While I have pushed my luck at times and shut down, for the most part I know how to manage my heat. Thats why I like caustic valley and, at times, terra therma. A lot of people just don't manage their heat well.

[Sandpit]

I will manually override in certain situations just the same as I alpha strike and push my heat levels to shutdown or near shutdown in certain situations. If I'm the last man standing then I can at least try to take 1 or 2 down with me. I don't see how anyone could see this as a violation of CoC.

[Aim-Bot]

i Override whn i am in a situation i cant escape like you do. its ok for me doin that.

[Redshift2k5]

Override is a tool. Obviously if you're using it during an actual fight, it's a high risk tool but one given to you specifically to allow you to make such an attempt.

[Escef]

There are times when not hitting the override will get you killed more certainly than just hitting it. That and over heat damage always goes to the CT structure if you shut down, but is (last I checked) distributed randomly if you override and go past 100%. Yes, that means there's a chance that you bake your head, but if you shut down there's a good chance someone will tear it off of you anyway. And on my bigger mechs, as often as I get CT cored, I'd rather have the damage go elsewhere.

Ideally, you hit over ride knowing that your next salvo will take you past the thresh hold by a relatively small amount and you are just looking to get a shot off and keep moving towards friendlies or cover.

[CrashieJ]

... no I never Override a Shutdown anymore...

Not after that time where all the heat damage singled out my head... 4 times in a row...

[Zerberus]

Kooky Carter, on 18 January 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

tl;dr

Do you override shutdowns to go down fighting?

Yes

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If someone dies by overriding a shutdown are you upset about it?

No, he saved me ammunition or heat. ASSUMING he was in combat and not just overheating to suicide.

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Do you think this is technically against CoC (if you are going to respond to this last question then actually read the post)?

Hell no, why should it be?
A warrior fights until he can not fight any more, no matter the odds, and embraces the suck instead of compaining about it. If he sees a way to maybe take one with him, you better bet he`s gonna try.

I say that because this is MechWARRIOR, not MechGIVEUPALREADY.

As such, I concur 100% with the post laid out as a base. If I die becasue of overheating in combat and someone wants to report me, I will gladly send them my own Frapses and screenshots and vouch for their version of the events being true, just so support knows that the accusation is in fact 100% valid.

Why? So that Zero, Magius, and Reppu can have a good belly laugh before they tell him to see his proctologist about having his head dislodged.

[XPhantasmaX]

Normally I use override shutdown to avoid getting shutdown when my heat taps 100% in a "split second" during the fight. Its annoying when you get shutdown even if you don't overheat as much compared to firing 6 PPCs at once.

Trust me getting shutdown in any battlefield sets you far behind. you are better off overriding shutdown.

EDIT: In addition to this post suicide by overheating denies kills from your opponent. if you pull it off right, you effectively troll your opponents by denying them c-bills and exp....I don't know if kill assists still counts however.

Edited by XPhantasmaX, 19 January 2014 - 11:01 AM.

[kesuga7]

if this were against the rules
that would be really silly
If your lasst man with no chance - override shutdown i say ;p
that or if your about to CT a guy and your CT is also red - override shutdowns

The game itself however should give you a assist (not a kill) if they shot you near override shutdown down death

Edited by kesuga7, 19 January 2014 - 04:22 PM.

[JediPanther]

It can be over used and it can also be very usefull. I've ended up last mech in a jenner stuck in some terrain on terra with the enemy team having no lrms,los or way of reaching my stuck mech. Every type of movement did nothing. The only option I had was to suicide it alpha-ing my mls. Most of the time I use it to try and get my mech moving to avoid enemy fire having ignored the overheat warning wanting to return fire in battle.

[Ardney]

XPhantasmaX, on 19 January 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:

EDIT: In addition to this post suicide by overheating denies kills from your opponent. if you pull it off right, you effectively troll your opponents by denying them c-bills and exp....I don't know if kill assists still counts however.

I can confirm that it counts as an assist for them. I do it frequently.

[GRiPSViGiL]

I don't do it to deliberately fry myself but it happens rarely the way I do use it.

I use override shutdown as a coolant shot per say when I can squeeze in one more shot if my heat will just go over the max to do so. Sometimes I do it in succession one to many times though.

No way is it against the CoC if you are just using it to continue fighting. One thing is for certain though if you override enough times in a row your gonna blow up. Use at your own risk.

Edited by GRiPSViGiL, 20 January 2014 - 01:37 AM.

[Warblood]

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I can confirm that it counts as an assist for them. I do it frequently.

I can confirm this also, an assist is given. which is great cause its worth more cbills then a kill

[Corvin Reinhardt]

I only override shutdown if I'm guaranteed a killing blow and my mech is in a condition to handle a bit of internal damage. Although, I have had my gauss rifle explode before which hurt like hell but it rarely causes a cook-off.

Edited by Nitzol, 24 January 2014 - 11:04 PM.

[SleekHusky]

I sometimes override shutdown/suicide/take them with me if there is literally no chance of winning aka last mech alive vs over half their team.
Other times I am just in a light and again last one alive and rather than running around wasting time, I just end it there by my own hands. (Some jerks don't deserve their kill anyway)