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#41 Clownwarlord

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:48 AM

View PostSirLANsalot, on 15 March 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:


*facepalm* your missing a LL, and thus are missing out on 9 more damage your energy arm could be doing.

And you state more of a heat issue.

*facepalm* Pug philosophy to use every hard point just because you can when not required.

#42 SirLANsalot

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:18 PM

View Postclownwarlord, on 16 March 2014 - 02:48 AM, said:

And you state more of a heat issue.

*facepalm* Pug philosophy to use every hard point just because you can when not required.


When that is the only energy on the mech, ya your effing required. Ghost heat be damned 3LPL in the arm is 31.8 damage or 27damage with 3 LL. Either way you are wasting the power that energy arm gives you, and since your damage is low from that mech. You wont be helping your team out any, and instead, will be a liability, rather then a 90ton asset. Even when I die early in a match in my HM, I still deal 200-300damage without fail and leave enemy mechs hurt bad.

Also, Heat is NEVER....EVER an excuse for ANYTHING in this game. 6 ERPPC stalker? Fire control and chainfire keeps that mech still running instead of overheating. AWS-8Q I love running has 2 ERPPC and 2 PPC, paired in groups 1 and 2, its an AC40 mech that never runs out of ammo. If you use heat as an excuse for not taking weapons, then you should be using Small Lasers and Machine Guns then. If you knew anything about fire control and gunnery, we wouldn't be having this disagreement.

#43 Roachbugg

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:04 PM

Sir get over yourself you are not providing any thing constructive to this discussion and simply causing fights and arguments if you disagree with some one elses play style that is fine. but you don't get to tell them how to play how you tell them to play may simply never work for them its a fact of any game. I don't ask any one to be good at the game i ask them to try their hardest and have fun doing it. Ive seen people run builds that make me scratch my head and think what the devil is that and then see some one post 400-500 damage at the end of match with what i thought to be a sub par build. There is no one way to build any mech no matter what you may think. If I wanna take my boars head out with six small pulse lasers an lrm20 and an ac/20 why not is it silly god yes. will it make me chuckle at how rediculos it is very likely you are not anyone's master or mother or employer allow people to play how they feel works for them I i feel like three large lasers is too hot i wont run three large lasers fire control and chain fire be dammed i like to alpha strike im lazy i like to simply know i can fire this arm x aount of times and this one y amount of times then i must pull back to cool.

Basic point you play how ever you want to play feel free to offer advice but if some one doesn't take it because it does not work for them than you just have to deal with it. This thread has had plenty of fine builds posted some will work better than others for some people that's just how the game is,

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 05:32 PM

View PostSirLANsalot, on 16 March 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Also, Heat is NEVER....EVER an excuse for ANYTHING in this game.

:ph34r:

:D

SirLANsalot, you make me lol so hard.

#45 SirLANsalot

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:40 PM

View PostRoachbugg, on 16 March 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

Sir get over yourself you are not providing any thing constructive to this discussion and simply causing fights and arguments if you disagree with some one elses play style that is fine. but you don't get to tell them how to play how you tell them to play may simply never work for them its a fact of any game. I don't ask any one to be good at the game i ask them to try their hardest and have fun doing it. Ive seen people run builds that make me scratch my head and think what the devil is that and then see some one post 400-500 damage at the end of match with what i thought to be a sub par build. There is no one way to build any mech no matter what you may think. If I wanna take my boars head out with six small pulse lasers an lrm20 and an ac/20 why not is it silly god yes. will it make me chuckle at how ridiculous it is very likely you are not anyone's master or mother or employer allow people to play how they feel works for them I i feel like three large lasers is too hot i wont run three large lasers fire control and chain fire be dammed i like to alpha strike im lazy i like to simply know i can fire this arm x amount of times and this one y amount of times then i must pull back to cool.

Basic point you play how ever you want to play feel free to offer advice but if some one doesn't take it because it does not work for them than you just have to deal with it. This thread has had plenty of fine builds posted some will work better than others for some people that's just how the game is,


3LL on the Heavy Metal. You can fire 3-4 times depending on the map (only twice on terra). Gauss costs nothing to fire (that your mech will notice) and the SRM4's are heat neutral, so you can fire them and still lose heat before they are reloaded. Firing those 3 LL, 3 times (81 damage) is enough damage to kill or core anything short of an Atlas. That is NOT including 2 or 3 shots from the Gauss (30-45) or (if close enough) a few from the SRMs (20-40).
HEAVY METAL
the LL build I used for a very long time, and despite the JJ changes, is fine with the 1 JJ which is used to help get up hills that you cant normally climb. 15 DHS is the norm for the HM, 14 is cutting it a little close with 3 LL on.
For refrance HEAVY METAL my LPL build.
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I must be doing something wrong then.

There is a distinct reason I have my mech the way I have it, and as you can see IT WORKS. The build I have posted hundreds of times, and it has survived through EVERY nerf that PGI has thrown at the game. Gauss Charge? No effect. Ghost Heat? Some effect on the build for a short time (changed to 3LL instead of 3LPL for a while). LPL buff that happened allowed me to put them back on again, and I am yet once again wrecking face with that mech. Terra Therma is the only map that gives my mech any heartache at all, but I adjust how I play the mech and it works fine (I still suck at that map tho,,,,). I do not use chain-fire, I alpha those things, so yes, it dose get hit by ghost heat. However its not as detrimental as people make ghost heat out to be, you CAN work with it and when you do figure that out. You become a FAR FAR FAR better pilot for it, as such I attempt to help people out by pointing out the issues with XX build and the reason for it. Most (all) do not take cretinism well on these forums, but those I talk to in teamspeak do take it well and do try the builds I send them. 9 times out of 10....they LOVE it after adjusting a few things in how they play. Am I a perfect pro player? No, but I do pug over 90% of my games and somehow still do "good". I work well with teams solos as well as in a group. However the combined ELO system sometimes dose eff us over.

As always I will try and reinvent the mech over and over and over again by adjusting the build, refining it. Like a master blacksmith always honeing his craft, I always look for ways to improve myself and my builds.

View PostRoughneck45, on 16 March 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

:ph34r:

:D

SirLANsalot, you make me lol so hard.


There is a reason I say that because heat is something YOU as a pilot control.

Is our heat system broken? Yes. Can it be worked with? Absolutely. This here is such an example of working WITH the heat system.

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3 AC2 4ML 1 ERLL, First time taking that build out. Last mech was hurt bad and so was I, he got the drop on me but the firestarter finished him off.

By everyone's standards the AC2 is "too hot" because of the broken heat system. Didn't effect me any in that match, must mean everyone are baddies and need to learn to pilot.

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 11:41 PM

You still seem to have completely ignored the points

just because something works for you does not means it works for every one else...
I can build my mech how ever i please if it works for me it works if it does not work for me and it works for you great. Can i get an lrm boat to do a damn thing for me no because i 1 do not like lrms and two don't care to learn to use them to super effect do i want to run three large lasers no i dont.. stop with the high and mighty l2p nonsense. If i dont think your build will work for me i will not use it you can tell me it get you 1,000,000 damage a match and twelve kills every game if i use it and I do not like it im not gonna run it. My build works fine for me i took an old build i ran in a table top rp that i liked and it happens to work well in game. there is no one play style that works for every one in this game that's just how it is.

Your build does well for you that's great i am happy for you keep having fun running it. If another build fits my play style better then i will run it instead, Is your build bad no by no means. Do i want to run it? No i don't. Also i don't really care for the Gauss IMHO they ppc should have got the charge up not the Gauss i don't use it out of spite. Its just like with the atlas DD-c all the people that swear up and down that the twin Lb-10x a/c works that's fine use it if its good for you it does not work for me I would rather have the sheer knock out punch from the ac/20 if i wanna run an ac/ten or a five and a two because i hate that pgi gave the charge up to the wrong weapon its my choice if i want to not run something because the ghost heat is making me frustrated then i wont your build is fine for you its the same in any game there is no one size fits all build for any mech.

So since i like to sound like a broken record run what you want and stop being upset that other people don't all run your exact build :D

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 02:00 AM

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:34 PM

2.23 KDR! OMG he so pro!

^_^

You can play whatever you like man. Everyone thinks you are an idiot for your previous statements, not your heavy metal build.





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