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[Nabbis]

So I already own a Misery from the stalkers and I am now looking for the second and in time the third stalker.

I have checked some threads that the 4N isn't really a option so whats the differences with the remaining 3 and if i already have a misery what would be the two better choices from the remaining 3 stalkers?

[ImperialKnight]

I'd go for 3F and 5S. The 3F has the best torso twist and the 5S comes with the XL255 which can be used on a couple of good mechs like the Spider-5D and CTF-4X if you want to try them later. And the 5S has dual AMS.

They also both have 6 energy and 4 missile hardpoints, the most of all variants

[PhoenixFire55]

3F has a best torso twist range of them all by far. Apart from that difference between Stalkers are minimal.

[Modo44]

3F is the obvious choice for its torso twist range. It is almost as effective as the Misery in the right hands.

To try something different, consider the 5M with 5 missile hardpoints for total SRM spam configs, or the 3H for big (LRM) boat builds.

[Nabbis]

I wen't ahead and bought myself a shiny new 3H. the stock build seems bit weird but its doable for now are there any decent lrm boat builds floating around for the 3H? preferable something with mediun to close range defense capabilities?

[Ngamok]

Nabbis, on 12 February 2014 - 07:05 AM, said:

I wen't ahead and bought myself a shiny new 3H. the stock build seems bit weird but its doable for now are there any decent lrm boat builds floating around for the 3H? preferable something with mediun to close range defense capabilities?

STK-3H

Set to chain fire to avoid the ghost heat. The Left and Right Torso launchers will shoot the missiles 6+4 since they are 6 tube launchers whereas the Left and Right Arm will shoot all 15 since it's a 20 tube launcher there. If you want you can make the torso ones LRM5s instead if you wanted and get some more heat sinks or a bigger engine. The only bad thing about the 3H is the lack of energy slots in the torsos in case the arms get blown off. If you get a 3rd one, the 3F, M, and S are all good. Just avoid the 4N (even though I own it).

[Bacon_Warrior88]

5S By FAR! Dual ams, couple streaks for pesky lights. And some powerfull energy weapons. Plus, you can just throw the stnd 300 on the chassis (gotta have a spear lying around.)

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Left some tonnage on there,

can tweek it to liking

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Edited by Tiggo Bitties, 12 February 2014 - 08:43 AM.

[Fuggles]

3f and 5s for sure. I'm sad to see you bought the h. I suggest you do what I did, just run 4 large energy weapons and sell it once it's basiced out. I HATED the h as a missle mech.

[Khan Hallis]

Don't waste your money on the champion. Whole "champion" line is a cash grab and not worth it.

[Bront]

The 3F has superior torso twist, and is nice and flexible. Probably the next best.

The 5S has dual AMS so is good for long range support builds. It also comes with an XL255 engine, which while not good for the mech, is nice to have in general.

The 5M has a CT Energy point and an extra torso missile point, so is nice if you want to brawl (Not a huge fan of the missile door delay). Is cheaper than the 5S and comes with DHS.

The 3H can mount LRM20s in the arms and makes a nice missile boat. If you're not going LRMs, it's not a good variant for much else (5F, 5S or 5M can do everything else it can and probably better)

5S and 5M are both nice, so it's personal preference. If you don't think you'll keep either, go 5M, as it comes stock with DHS and is cheaper (Unless you need the 255XL for something else).

[Nabbis]

I actually don't have a missile boat yet so gona test it with the 3H if its not my thing I can at least get it to basic and sell it away.
but for the first glance the F looked too similar to the misery. so I wanted to test something else first.

Edited by Nabbis, 12 February 2014 - 01:50 PM.

[NRP]

You're about 8 months too late. Stalkers used to be the meanest mechs on the map. These days? Not so much. Their entire weapons loadout is too hot.

[Nabbis]

NRP, on 12 February 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

You're about 8 months too late. Stalkers used to be the meanest mechs on the map. These days? Not so much. Their entire weapons loadout is too hot.

I appreciate your input but i kinda like my stalkers.
True they are quite hot on the beginning but considering most of the pug matches have nothing to do with effeciency at all I am doing quite fine.
On another note I bought the 3F on the weekend so now i just need to level the 3H and 3F to open the master module.
and on that note what should I change from the stock builds to get these things to be decent enough for pug plays. I wanna keep the 3h as a missile boat of somekind and i would like the 3F to have some srms at least.

[Zordicron]

They are all good. 3F has torso twist advantage. Only other thing of note is dual AMS on the one. odnt let all the "4n is teh suxx" nonsense put you off. One less missile point is not the end of the world when LRM boats can be done on any of the other chassis and SRM have bad hit reg right now. Put 3 streaks in it, and load it with some lasers and go to town. 4N pointy end is just as mean as the other stalkers.

best thing with stalkers is to try to run different loadouts on all variants. i had one with some PPC, one with 4LL, one with some ML and shit tons of SRM(5M ithink it was for that) I havent bought the H but it will be my missile boat(only one I havent bought, i moved to other chassis) You dont need to put the same loadout on 5 variants of the chassis.

[Hexenhammer]

Twin AMS on the Stalker is Vunderful when an 6x5 LRM Cat thinks you're an easy target.


I had a Cat come after me in my 5S and I ripped his arm off before he decided he didn't like me and ran off to go play with someone else.

[Decoy3]

Bront, on 12 February 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

The 5M has a CT Energy point and an extra torso missile point, so is nice if you want to brawl (Not a huge fan of the missile door delay).

You can toggle the doors open. You can't really block with the arms anyhow, and the only time they're taking hits is when people aiming for a shoulder miss (which is hard to do when shooting the Stalker's ST).

Everyone touts the 3F due to it's torso twist, but I preferred the 5M honestly. I ran both non-Misery builds with 2 ERLL, then filled every other hardpoint with MLAS and SSRM. They were pretty effective second line brawlers, but those shoulders are giant targets, so the CT energy hardpoint in the 5M was super nice. The extra twist on the 3F didn't help a whole lot - didn't really need it vs. lights (4-5 Streaks); and when brawling heavier mechs, I still managed to twist damage to both shoulders before losing my CT almost all the time. The only time it really mattered was when a fast medium wanted to circle me, and that just didn't occur often enough to make me feel like I'd rather have the 3F.

[xXBagheeraXx]

5m is THE missile boat...Tag on the ct, meds in the arms cram it full of whatever you want. I reccomend 2 artemis 15's with 3 streaks, 4 meds and bap with a 275 standard. Lights will hate you, assaults will hate you.

The 4n only has 4 energy points...on the arms...

No, just...NO...dont bother with that one.

Edited by xXBagheeraXx, 11 March 2014 - 02:54 PM.

[Garegaupa]

Apart from the Misery I have the 3F and 5M, and I'm more than happy with all three!

[Ashan An]

Nabbis, on 20 February 2014 - 03:17 AM, said:

On another note I bought the 3F on the weekend so now i just need to level the 3H and 3F to open the master module.
and on that note what should I change from the stock builds to get these things to be decent enough for pug plays. I wanna keep the 3h as a missile boat of somekind and i would like the 3F to have some srms at least.

Some people can't read and answer the questions apparently =/ so much nagging about which stalker is better while you already got yours ...

STK-3H Missile boat with defense capability, you can drop the extra DHS for extra ammo if you can handle the heat and run low of ammo

STK-3F If you can manage the heat this should work nicely, the streaks can keep a light away from your ass and vs bigger stuff you can use them in chainfire shake their cockpit forever.
You can also swap the LPL for ERPPCs if you want more range, but the extra heat can be difficult to handle