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Posted 06 April 2015 - 11:14 AM

View PostCatra Lanis, on 06 April 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:


It is indeed making matches against me. I understand what you are saying but it is the end result of how I am told it works (if that's corrcet). It is not the intention of the design but rather a side effect of how it works, however that is cold comfort.

Does anyone know if it stacks player in desecending level? If it takes the highest ranking player in team 1 does the second highest ranking player always end up in team 2 even if there are a score of combinations that put the teams value equal?


its not only against you.
3 battles and 3 defeats with my highlander.
it wouldnt be so bad... but how they got lost is completely off any teamplay.

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 11:24 AM

My whines for today are:

- I saw a COM-1D with 2 small laser.

- A griffin with 1PPC and LRM10

- A Grasshopper with 3PPC and 5mpl.... overheating every alpha

- a pilot doing 150 dmg in CW..... with 4 mechs...

But also it's been hilarous, so it's a funny whine.

o7

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 11:32 AM

5 battles lost to absolute bullshit gaming.
i have no fkin idea how MWO should improve anything players that have no ****** clue about anythign but playing like a FPS.

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 12:14 PM

View PostCatra Lanis, on 06 April 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:


It is indeed making matches against me. I understand what you are saying but it is the end result of how I am told it works (if that's corrcet). It is not the intention of the design but rather a side effect of how it works, however that is cold comfort.

Does anyone know if it stacks player in desecending level? If it takes the highest ranking player in team 1 does the second highest ranking player always end up in team 2 even if there are a score of combinations that put the teams value equal?

It isn't making matches against you. It doesn't. People like to think that it does, but that isn't how it works.

It doesn't make you lose to get you back to 1:1 WLR, because that would entail it building the whole match around you personally... and to make a match where the MM thinks you'll lose, it'd also be making a match where it wouldn't reduce your Elo, which is counterproductive.

But really, it doesn't build a match for one team to win and one team to lose; it strives to build a match where the odds of winning are 50:50.

This is how it works, from the guy who wrote it (solo queue; group is similar but kinda more complex due to group averages):


1) Take the oldest player in the queue. This is the first team target Elo.
2) Select players of as near to their Elo as possible, initially within 50pts. Only stretch these bounds if insufficient players can be found to make a full team, at which point it slowly extends the Elo range until it can find enough players within weight class limitations.
3) Take average of the first team's Elo, this is the second team target Elo
4) As per 2, add players to the second team until full.
5) Compute average Elo of second team, use this compared to the first teams average to determine end of match Elo adjustments.

So, if you've been in the queue longer than anyone else, you're the seed player. Otherwise (and this is most often going to be the case) you've been selected because your Elo was very close to the team Elo. The opposing team is made in the same way.

As such, the MM hasn't yet decided who it thinks will win, nor is it stacking the deck either way. The MM's only goal is to build as even a match as possible, and calculate Elo changes based of the match end result relative to the comparative Elo difference if any.

Unless you're very high, or very low Elo (both are very small categories) or playing in off hours, the bulk of the Elo range is actually pretty full of players. You can see this by getting matches inside a minute or so of searching. In the solo queue, that's pretty normal. In that case there's enough players at medium low through medium high Elo's to build matches without stretching the bounds, so everyone is pretty comparably ranked.

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 12:58 PM

View PostWintersdark, on 06 April 2015 - 12:14 PM, said:

It isn't making matches against you. It doesn't. People like to think that it does, but that isn't how it works.

It doesn't make you lose to get you back to 1:1 WLR, because that would entail it building the whole match around you personally... and to make a match where the MM thinks you'll lose, it'd also be making a match where it wouldn't reduce your Elo, which is counterproductive.

But really, it doesn't build a match for one team to win and one team to lose; it strives to build a match where the odds of winning are 50:50.

This is how it works, from the guy who wrote it (solo queue; group is similar but kinda more complex due to group averages):


1) Take the oldest player in the queue. This is the first team target Elo.
2) Select players of as near to their Elo as possible, initially within 50pts. Only stretch these bounds if insufficient players can be found to make a full team, at which point it slowly extends the Elo range until it can find enough players within weight class limitations.
3) Take average of the first team's Elo, this is the second team target Elo
4) As per 2, add players to the second team until full.
5) Compute average Elo of second team, use this compared to the first teams average to determine end of match Elo adjustments.

So, if you've been in the queue longer than anyone else, you're the seed player. Otherwise (and this is most often going to be the case) you've been selected because your Elo was very close to the team Elo. The opposing team is made in the same way.

As such, the MM hasn't yet decided who it thinks will win, nor is it stacking the deck either way. The MM's only goal is to build as even a match as possible, and calculate Elo changes based of the match end result relative to the comparative Elo difference if any.

Unless you're very high, or very low Elo (both are very small categories) or playing in off hours, the bulk of the Elo range is actually pretty full of players. You can see this by getting matches inside a minute or so of searching. In the solo queue, that's pretty normal. In that case there's enough players at medium low through medium high Elo's to build matches without stretching the bounds, so everyone is pretty comparably ranked.


So it completes 1 team at a time? Wouldn't it be better to go T1-1, T2-1, T1-2, T2-2 and match T1-1 against T2-1? I don't think I play at hours when this works. There is no way in hell my team was evenly matched against the other even taking snowball effect in consideration. Half of them couldn't even steer the mech where they wanted. It must be lack of players.

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 01:05 PM

View PostCatra Lanis, on 06 April 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:


So it completes 1 team at a time? Wouldn't it be better to go T1-1, T2-1, T1-2, T2-2 and match T1-1 against T2-1? I don't think I play at hours when this works. There is no way in hell my team was evenly matched against the other even taking snowball effect in consideration. Half of them couldn't even steer the mech where they wanted. It must be lack of players.


it must be lack of players with a brain to do more than just stare and wonder.

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 03:44 PM

The only thing I know about elo is that I am I that magic place were almost no one shoots down UAVs, lrm boats can't seem to figure out that minimum range is minimum range, SL snipers take shots at 800m and don't move closer, SRM shooters lunch at 500m, and the other team has all efficient killers that focus fire me to death in the first few minutes of a match.....

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 05:12 PM

Dropped into an unidentified signal source in Bamani and found the Pirate Robert Apgar i was looking for, he was in a Python and ranked "Dangerous", was also escorted by 2 Cobra's. I slotted into his blind spot, deployed hardpoints and chewed his shields down with my beam lasers while using my thrusters to stay on his six and just above so his turrets couldn't hit me. When his shields were down i went to open up with my 4 class 1 rail rifles to find i forgot to put ammo in the damn things so i boosted away and tried to escape but the cobra's were faster and caught me and then cut me to pieces while my FSD was charging. I got out with 25% hull integrity.

Whine... it doesn't matter what game your playing, no ammo = stupid, stupid mistake

Edited by Verapamil, 06 April 2015 - 05:13 PM.


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Posted 06 April 2015 - 05:53 PM

My whine... finding 7 other pugs to do raids in DCUO... oh and not being able to play MWO because I cannot stand the absolute crap gameplay. I am so sickened by cw, I didn't log back in after two absolute humiliations with pugs on Friday.

Had a lot more fun beating up supervillains, but missed my mechs.

You know how much it sucks to know you will have a terrible time if you decide to play this game??? I have gone from playing 20 hours or more a week to 30 minutes or an hour.

Its just not worth it right now.

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 05:57 PM

Oh... and I learned that learning the meta or competitive way to play a game wrecks any of the enjoyment of learning. After studying a few guides in DCUO my characters got better, but I noticed my enjoyment dropped. I think it would be worse if I did PVP there.

But it made me realize how badly this game is hurt by lacking weapon type balance as well as role warfare and... well just a whole LOT of things.


:(

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 05:57 AM

busted my ass working out of town and got everything done early...So...I'll be home in time for the urbie!!!!

#4252 Catra Lanis

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 08:42 AM

According to Sarna I am driving a Solahma mech (2H) :wacko:

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 09:58 AM

View PostCatra Lanis, on 07 April 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

According to Sarna I am driving a Solahma mech (2H) :wacko:

you are in good company my friend :P

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 01:17 PM

View PostKjudoon, on 06 April 2015 - 05:57 PM, said:

Oh... and I learned that learning the meta or competitive way to play a game wrecks any of the enjoyment of learning. After studying a few guides in DCUO my characters got better, but I noticed my enjoyment dropped. I think it would be worse if I did PVP there.

But it made me realize how badly this game is hurt by lacking weapon type balance as well as role warfare and... well just a whole LOT of things.


:(

For me Cw is no problem. The "meta" is no problem. Reading u p on stuff-I love it, the learning.
The problem is......the playerbase.
Solo queue? 0 fun.
Group queue? starting to look like solo queue.
CW? Full of solos trying to not do teamwork, on purpose....

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 01:27 PM

It's taking forever to re-download the game. :(

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 01:39 PM

This is it, i cant take it anymore. I cant play a single decent match tonight. How much 12:2 losses can one take? And then this River City, assaults start in space port, heavies run to citadel, and while assaults get shredded, this fellow asks for help at citadel, cause there are 3 mechs there. And get this - blames Kcrabs for not running away. Cant fix stupid. i give up. need to take a brake for a week or two.

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 02:19 PM

That realization that you accidentally picked the same faction content twice.

#4258 Catra Lanis

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 02:24 AM

I do 400 damage and a kill but my team is getting mauled. When it's 9-3 after 4 minutes I can see what's going to happen so I disengage and find a nice hidey hole. Then they cap. While it's counting down my team says I must go face them so they can launch again sooner. It seems they don't understand that the cap will be done before I get there even if I do as they say.

With this kind of patience maybe they should play another type of game. Pong might be more to their liking. They dubbed me a k/d puke but since it's true I shall wear it as a badge of honor.

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 06:04 AM

bought myself some new stuff today *..*
2 awesome CD's...
Dear Youth from The Ghost Inside and Endless Forms of Most Beautiful from Nightwish along with a new headset.
now.... its a gaming headset and i am truly amazed that each and every fkin gaming headset has so much bass that the rest is almost buried underneath it...
but what am i complaining about, the modern gaming kid of today has no musical taste anymore. its just about bass.
it doesnt do music any justice.


Catra i done something similar.
river city assault. we started on the dropship side. i piloted a Zeus, moved up the ramps to that small gap between the buildings near the river. rest of the team camped the waterside....

i got shot from a gauss dire from the dropship zone and i was like WTF? why i no one checking that area?... yeah... campers...
so i went down that side because i spotted almost the complete enemy team on the opposite side. and then..... another direwolf + somethign else in the water.. unspotted, uncared.
losing one of my 2 large pulse lasers i decided to rant at my useless camping team and shut down near the statues... in a dark corner.... couldnt stand it anymore that no one has a fkin clue about their role anymore. just fit in long range weapons and camp. all that people want to do.

sadly i couldnt resist to power up as a hellbringer ran in front of me to shoot a stalker in the back ( a pilot i know and respect). mauled the HBR and then a Dire as well.
we won through that in the end and that saddens me a bit because i had only one cherry red side torso + cherry red center torso left along with a med laser and a srm6.

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 06:23 AM

View PostCatra Lanis, on 08 April 2015 - 02:24 AM, said:

I do 400 damage and a kill but my team is getting mauled. When it's 9-3 after 4 minutes I can see what's going to happen so I disengage and find a nice hidey hole. Then they cap. While it's counting down my team says I must go face them so they can launch again sooner. It seems they don't understand that the cap will be done before I get there even if I do as they say.

With this kind of patience maybe they should play another type of game. Pong might be more to their liking. They dubbed me a k/d puke but since it's true I shall wear it as a badge of honor.

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