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[El Bandito]

And stick to your ECM ally.

Current so called "LRMapocalypse" is nothing but the by product of everyone testing the improved LRMs--hence why so many LRMs. Just like how people try out new mechs whenever there is one. The LRM had not been spammed in a long while, people are forgetting how to deal with it. Give it a little more time and you shall see that LRMs are not WTFBBQ strong--as you might think. The snipe meta will still be the king.

Just like how people cried about Firestarters before learned to deal with them.


Finally, remember that no matter how unbalanced LRM becomes, ultimately it is Paul's fault for implementing GECM as AECM.

*edit* People are still not equipping AMS, haha.

Edited by El Bandito, 20 March 2014 - 01:55 AM.

[Daelen Rottiger]

El Bandito, on 19 March 2014 - 01:08 AM, said:

And stick to your ECM ally.

Current so called "LRMapocalypse" is nothing but the by product of everyone testing the improved LRMs--hence why so many LRMs. Just like how people try out new mechs whenever there is one. The LRM had been pretty much gone for a while, people are forgetting how to deal with it. Give it a little more time and you shall see that LRMs are not WTFBBQ strong--as you might think.

Agreed, but I still think speed of 150 instead of 175 would fit the game better. We will see how it works out in the next cpl of days.

[El Bandito]

Daelen Rottiger, on 19 March 2014 - 01:10 AM, said:

Agreed, but I still think speed of 150 instead of 175 would fit the game better. We will see how it works out in the next cpl of days.

I am more worried about AMS becoming too effective against Streaks and SRM and further making them useless.

[MadMaxMKII]

absolutly right. in nearly every match people are whining like babies about the lrm fire...they call it unsportsmanship...wtf. this isnt a sportsgame, its a scifi wargame. i guess everyone hates sth about that game, and thats absolutly ok. i for myself have 0 repect for light pilots.
in a cpl of days we will see clearly again. btw, i think the lrm boost makes the battlefield experience more dangerous. i like it.

[Lyoto Machida]

Just played my first game as a "brawler" since the patch in an AWE-9M without AMS on Crimson Strait. Never went underneath anything and just stuck to cover in the buildings...pulled in 2 kills and 603 damage so it's possible to just use cover to avoid LRMs if you play smart and use terrain efficiently.

[no one]

MadMaxMKII, on 19 March 2014 - 01:27 AM, said:

i for myself have 0 repect for light pilots.

Me and my NARC Locust will gladly teach you the meaning of the word!
The uh, actual word.
The word is respect.

But really, try piloting a light 'Mech a bit before you judge. There's an entirely separate skill set to piloting each class of 'Mech, and knowing how to pilot a 'Mech means knowing it's weaknesses. Which in the case of the Locust is. . . weakness. It's danged fragile.

[IceCase88]

You cannot carry enough AMS ammo to handle the spamming. It is just not possible. One match is hardly evidence. Heck, I had a 687 damage and 3 kill game with my Oxide but that was only one good match out of 15. The rest of the matches I had extreme difficulty closing on the enemy because of the LRMs and meta builds.

The LRM speed is ridiculous and it still has the crazy trajectory. A speed buff was needed but this was way too much. I cannot believe they tested the speed out and said, "That is the perfect speed." I played in 15 matches last night and only participated in 2 victories. The LRM spam is out-of-control and it won't stop the poptart AC/PPC meta builds. All it will do is screw the other play-styles. Sure people are testing out the new LRMs. Problem is they will continue to use them because the LRMpocalypse is back with a vengeance. The trench warfare is worse than it was before. I know it is the first day but LRMs are really that lethal now. Moving from cover to cover is extremely difficult because you have to dodge meta builds and now LRM boats.

Light mechs were only slightly viable before. Now they are utterly useless unless you are a COM-2D or a SDR-5D. The choices now are: LRM boat, Meta-poptart build, or fast ECM.

Edited by IceCase88, 19 March 2014 - 02:25 AM.

[Curccu]

El Bandito, on 19 March 2014 - 01:18 AM, said:

I am more worried about AMS becoming too effective against Streaks and SRM and further making them useless.

No worries SRMs are already useless.

[Papaspud]

No, the LRm boats will become MORE not less as people realize how effective they are. Did people get tired of the poptarts?

The speed would be fine, but finding cover that actually stops the missiles is hard, most "cover" the missiles go right over because of the steep angle of attack.

[skorpionet]

I changed my DS build to fit an AMS.... has no effect.

AMS could be fine if entire team fits it in mechs and uses "testudo" stragety...... ridiculous

Also take cover is an illusion on most maps. Perhaps only River City, Frozen City and above all Crimson have many places where take cover.

Wake me up after LRM Hell......

Edited by skorpionet, 19 March 2014 - 02:52 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

ECM does nothing vs TAG.
AMS does nothing vs 50+ LRM volley.

If you don't have TAG your doing it wrong.
If you don't have 50+ LRM launchers your doing it wrong.

[El Papa]

Yup, my Firestarter has 2 AMS and still gets blown out of the map by 50+ LRM Volleys...even in cover. Well what to do now...will dust off my LRM Boats!

[EvilCow]

LRM would be fine even in their current state, the problem here is the indirect fire by just looking at a mech, that should be limited to TAG and NARC.

Indirect fire is way too easy right now.

[Thrudvangar]

yeah right.. keep calm and equip AMS.. AMS is the shit if 90% of the enemy team is firing missiles at you...

every idiot wich dont even has the IQ to read tooltips now equips the stupid LRMS and firing them even at 160m range (wich is ridiculous and i'm laughing my ass up when it happens) but if you get caught within a good range.. hell.. it just starts raining.

and dodging the shit while in 190 to 600 m range is nearly impossible because of the speed. haha nice joke PGI.

oh a screenshot what is currently going on on the battlefields:

Atlas




almost every game has at least 3 or more of those *******.. beside all the stalkers and catapults... Even SHD-2D2's are re-build to wear as much as LRMs as they can... just sucks.

Edited by Enzlaved, 19 March 2014 - 03:11 AM.

[SCHLIMMER BESTIMMER XXX]

Sry but this arguments about "find cover and use ams" are now much more a phrase then ever.It depends on situation if there is the possibility for effectivity of the named "tips".And as it is now you are simply shot to pieces in seconds when 2-3 boats aim at you.You can´t camp the hole match behind a rock or under a bridge.And in my opinion now the point is reached where mediums seems to be quite useless.You need to be able to deal damage spam when you want to have a chance to see the mid of a match.The lrms was good as they was,you had to wait for your chance and then you let it go.It needed some kind of skill,now you just spam them.I realy dont get it.Whats the point of this choise?And by the way i have 5 mechs with lrms.2 of them are 40+ lrm boats.I think they shoudnt do such drasticaly balance experiments.And this one realy is one!(English is not my native language as you shure noticed)

[Nik Van Rhijn]

Does that mean that this will be viable again?
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f96becf1e953f0c

But why is it being focused by 3 or 4 mechs is OK for direct fire weapons but not for LRMs?

Edited by Nik Van Rhijn, 19 March 2014 - 03:49 AM.

[El Bandito]

Nik Van Rhijn, on 19 March 2014 - 03:48 AM, said:

Does that mean that this will be viable again?
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f96becf1e953f0c

But why is it being focused by 3 or 4 mechs is OK for direct fire weapons but not for LRMs?

Exactly. People QQ about getting focus fired by 4+ LRM mechs and get blown up in seconds. Same shit will happen if you get focus fired by 4+ direct fire mech. In fact, direct fire mechs will kill you faster.

As for your D-DC build, go for it. Maybe if you switch PPC with a LLaser and shave off some leg armor, you can fit Std 300 for better maneuvering.

Edited by El Bandito, 19 March 2014 - 03:59 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Nik Van Rhijn, on 19 March 2014 - 03:48 AM, said:

Does that mean that this will be viable again?
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f96becf1e953f0c

But why is it being focused by 3 or 4 mechs is OK for direct fire weapons but not for LRMs?

Was that ever not viable? You cover all the weapon types, two pin point weapons, one harasser weapon. What ever was wrong with that build?

[Dracol]

Well, over 4 hours of games last night and I had a blast running a light. The spotting and tagging bonuses where adding up huge all night long.

Over the course of the evening I saw LRM heavy teams win and lose. I saw DF chassis rock engaged LRM boats as well as get themselves rocked crossing open ground. Saw not only LRM boats, but mixed load out builds as well.

Games had a lot more ebb and flow then they had prior. Last night was a great night of drops. Most interesting I've had in a long time.

And the greatest prize for my lights were the large number of pure LRM mechs out there. I love em guys cause I can park my dual AMS firestarter within 180m, causing them all sorts of grief, and I can attack their alllies or them and there is nothing they can do about it.

[Varent]

El Bandito, on 19 March 2014 - 01:08 AM, said:

And stick to your ECM ally.

Current so called "LRMapocalypse" is nothing but the by product of everyone testing the improved LRMs--hence why so many LRMs. Just like how people try out new mechs whenever there is one. The LRM had not been spammed in a long while, people are forgetting how to deal with it. Give it a little more time and you shall see that LRMs are not WTFBBQ strong--as you might think. The snipe meta will still be the king.

Just like how people cried about Firestarters before learned to deal with them.


Finally, remember that no matter how unbalanced LRM becomes, ultimately it is Paul's fault for implementing GECM as AECM.

Actually the change is pretty nice to LRMS so far I believe. Its looking pretty good. But yes if your smart and use good tactics and builds you can fight through it effectively.

Bottom line, play smart and prosper.