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[Tw1stedMonkey]

Zuesacoatl, on 19 March 2014 - 10:05 PM, said:

Ohhhnoes......

here is an image of what 3x ac2 heat hogs can do. Your image is just one case out of the millions out there. I am not a top notch player, but I do consider myself a decent player, and in the decent player brackets, LRMs were pretty worthless. Sure, you had to worry about the group that knew how to use them every now and then, but other than that, 90% worthless.

Edit, sorry, that was my 2xac5 1erlrg YLW. But the point is, dmg is irelevant. On your image, the HGN had the highest dmg, no kills. In a higher elo bracket, that could have spelled a loss because tons of dmg spread over a bunch of components is worthles, unlike my posting where most of the dmg is focused into a few components, insuring either I will strip that mech of death dealing ability, or someone else will. Dmg is just the measure of ones epeen, and so is kills. Component destruction, and other bonuses such as spotting and what not, that is a mark of a good player. the only thing the HGN had going for it was the fact that he had a good number of assists, other than that, dmg is of little concern when you can drop a few hundred dmg on one mech and his overall armor is just starting to push yellow.

You know what lrms were before the patch right? They needed teamwork to be good, because when they do well they do better than just about any other weapon system without really requiring the lrm mech to do much. No aiming skill required at all, just basic knowledge about positioning and know which targets to open fire on.

Now any idiot can do good with lrms, with or without teamwork, but it required a coordinated effort by the other team in order to counter it and/or specific mech that can help counter it (ECM). With a good lance of lrms + one narc/tag ECM spotter though, there is no possible counter a group of random player can scrape together without being lucky with ECM and map selection by the time that group has picked off enough players in order to win the battle for their team. On caustic you just lose. A good ECM spotter is harder to kill than any assault unless it is focused down by 3+ players aside from it's target because good luck shooting anything while being constantly shaken by missiles.

[Zuesacoatl]

Willard Phule, on 20 March 2014 - 06:07 AM, said:

But, you know, a lot of it depends on what it is you were trying to accomplish.

Were you trying to rack up cbills? Because all those assists and damage add up. 260k is a fairly decent match.

Was it a premade that was actually trying to win? Then spreading your damage out all over the place might not be the best option.

Me, since I pretty much drop solo all the time (straight into the Derp Elo bracket, I may add), I'm pretty much just in it for the almighty cbill. That's why most of my loadouts have some kind of LRM on them...and always have. That assist you get for popping him for 5 points of damage more than pays for the ammo you spent.

That was a solo match. I only use YLW to earn c-bills, he seems to be an easy mode mech and is honestly no fun to play, but he can earn the quan for me like no other. I know in tht match i took out two atlai, but I took out their left torsos first and then picked the rest of them apart. I go for component destruction, Usually you can find a good 50% of mechs packing an xl, so i go for side torsos first in hopes for a quick kill. If not, component destructs add up.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zuesacoatl, on 20 March 2014 - 06:26 AM, said:

That was a solo match. I only use YLW to earn c-bills, he seems to be an easy mode mech and is honestly no fun to play, but he can earn the quan for me like no other. I know in tht match i took out two atlai, but I took out their left torsos first and then picked the rest of them apart. I go for component destruction, Usually you can find a good 50% of mechs packing an xl, so i go for side torsos first in hopes for a quick kill. If not, component destructs add up.

Spoken like a True Merc!

[Zuesacoatl]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 20 March 2014 - 06:20 AM, said:

Yes, but point is, you can't determine anything by damage done. It's a stupid indicator.

If you end up with 1000 damage, and only fought 5 mechs, you weren't really using your weapons in a way that is optimized for actually killing your opponents.

Whereas a guy that has 500 damage, 4 kills and 8 assists is probably very good at the game.

That is my point, I only posted those images to say that you can screen any match and use it as your argument, but it means nothing. The HGn on the other posters img had a lot of dmg, but that could have been spread over all 9 mechs, bringing them only to a light yellow, that is not very helpful other than padding dmg stats.

[Monkey Lover]

I getting hit in the face before I even get a "in coming missile" warning lol

[Joseph Mallan]

Monkey Lover, on 20 March 2014 - 06:35 AM, said:

I getting hit in the face before I even get a "in coming missile" warning lol

Thats ...Ironic

[wanderer]

I mention this often in the "change AC's!" threads, but it bears repeating:

100 damage with a weapon varies in quality.

Can you put it all in one place? You cored anything pretty much under 70 tons.

Is it spread across a few locations? You likely didn't even breach armor on anything but a light.

Is it spread across the entire 'Mech? You just degraded it's armor a bit.

The first is AC/PPC damage, the second is lasers or TAG-designated missiles, the third is LB-X/SRM/Streak/most indirect missile fire. While an LRM boat (or Streaker) racks up high damage numbers, because they're not focused damage, it's more inefficient for killing/component destruction. When LRMs ARE focused, we called that Lurmageddon.

This isn't Lurmageddon.

[Trauglodyte]

mexican BANANA, on 19 March 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

This is my first post.

LRMs are freakin OVERKILL. There. Nailed it.

ACs/PPCs > LRMs, the end



PS> Aren't you a plantain?

[KharnZor]

So many alts..

[Boss Awesome]

Meh. Any idiot can do good with a bunch of AC/PPC's as well. Aiming in this game is super easy because so many people seem to stand still. The first post patch day may have seemed like LRM hell because everyone was testing them out and LRMs work really well if a lot of people use them together. Today didn't really feel that much different than pre patch, as most people have gone back to their normal builds. I like the changes, since LRMs can hit moving targets now. The only thing that worries me is that light mechs seem to die a little to quick to LRM fire.

[Willard Phule]

Because they were used to being able to run full bore across an open field without getting killed. The GOOD light pilots have learned to use the same tactics everyone else has been using against LRMs for months, maybe even years. Hug the terrain, mount AMS or ECM, don't run into the open...that kind of stuff.

[Zerberoff]

Willard Phule, on 21 March 2014 - 03:34 AM, said:

Because they were used to being able to run full bore across an open field without getting killed. The GOOD light pilots have learned to use the same tactics everyone else has been using against LRMs for months, maybe even years. Hug the terrain, mount AMS or ECM, don't run into the open...that kind of stuff.

Could you please stop using Logic in here! We dont want that....

[Willard Phule]

Zerberoff, on 21 March 2014 - 03:46 AM, said:

Could you please stop using Logic in here! We dont want that....

I dunno, man, I think it's hilarious that most Light pilots haven't adapted to the changes like everyone else has.

Mediums on up have learned to twist and take the damage on an arm. Lights were used to just trying to outrun them. Now that they're faster, they tend to hit the legs more often than anything else...which kind of makes sense, considering.

If they'd just stop and either turn or twist for just a second, they'd take the damage in the upper body instead of the legs....or....if they time it right, jump just as the missiles are hitting. Most will just slide under them. Oddly enough, that tactic works with quick mediums as well. I do it all the time.