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[Captain Stiffy]

1) Cockpit glass effects. For every single reason you could imagine.
2) Terra Therma. So bad. So boring. So often. Made me love Alpine. Made me hate MWO.
3) Way, way too expensive. Period. Calling this game "Free to Play" is like calling a test-drive a "Free Car Rental".


1) The windscreen glass effects, at any brightness level, cause my eyes to refocus whenever they pass a certain percentage opacity. Just visualizing it in my head makes my left eye twitch. This and this alone made the game unplayable for me. Also every gripe you can imagine about the glass effects.

2) Terra Therma. This map always took crazy long to finish and was 75% walking around doing nothing. SO BORING. This map instantly knocked Alpine almost completely off my shit list. Also related is the inability to just CHOOSE THE MAP YOU WANT TO PLAY! The developers are so unsure of themselves that they absolutely fear adding this. They know nobody would ever play certain maps. Also there aren't enough players.


3) Expensive. I am definitely in the "gladly pay 15 a month for access to all content" camp. The cost of MWO is easily triple that to have most of what you want and well to the moon goes the cost if you actually wanted everything. God forbid. The over-monetization of the BattleTech IP is a long and sordid tale and it seems like MWO is proud to carry that torch on well into the future.

[Joseph Mallan]

its always sad to lose a Stiffy.

[Spleenslitta]

I'll answer each of these.

1: it doesn't bother me any and i'm a quasi sniper type.(long story about the quasi part)
Oh...you got an eyeproblem...well that's that...oh well.

2: I used to hate it really badly too. Now i kinda like it and it's growing on me. I run pretty hot mechs too.

3: Expensive. This is the part i understand the least. I paid for the smallest founders package and haven't bought anything since.
If you want clan mechs just wait till they can be bought with C-bills. And if you buy a lot of cockpit items, hero/champion mechs and paintjobs then you just want to look fancy.
Being fashionable is expensive in the real world too.....even more so as a matter of fact.

Edited by Spleenslitta, 20 March 2014 - 10:21 AM.

[Sandpit]

uhm I don' tunderstand how this isn't a free game but ok lol

[Mechteric]

Sorry but those reasons don't seem like substantial enough reasons compared to others going on. My opinion are there are other reasons most people have stopped playing (or playing much much less at any rate). For me and likely many others its these 3:

1) Ghost heat (many mechs, like Battlemasters, are energy heavy and are gimped by this).
2) Lack of something to do (Community Warfare).
3) I dunno, PPC/AC's or whatever. (And SRMs.)

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 20 March 2014 - 10:21 AM.

[Captain Stiffy]

Spleenslitta, on 20 March 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:

3: Expensive. This is the part i understand the least. I paid for the smallest founders package and haven't bought anything since.
If you want clan mechs just wait till they can be bought with C-bills. And if you buy a lot of cockpit items, hero/champion mechs and paintjobs then you just want to look fancy.
Being fashionable is expensive in the real world too.....even more so as a matter of fact.

...but there are so many games where I can either just buy the game once and never pay again or only pay 10-15 a month and not be gimp second rate all the time. There's no reason that I can fairly and/or rationally justify that there should be have's and have-not's in an online game. It's elitist, money-grubbing and downright shitty AT BEST. The entire "Free to Play" model is definitely the worst thing to ever happen to gaming, ever, ever ever.

I guess most 12-year-old's disagree with that. That are actually 12. Like, they have no money and they love "Free to Play" because they are still too young to understand that nothing is free except most games after you buy them. These "kids nowadays" are being indoctrinated into this super-shit-tastic pricing model and it absolutely sickens me. This definitely heralds the next "video game crash".

Edited by Captain Stiffy, 20 March 2014 - 10:25 AM.

[Captain Stiffy]

CapperDeluxe, on 20 March 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

Sorry but those reasons don't seem like substantial enough reasons compared to others going on. My opinion are there are other reasons most people have stopped playing (or playing much much less at any rate). For me and likely many others its these 3:

1) Ghost heat (many mechs, like Battlemasters, are energy heavy and are gimped by this).
2) Lack of something to do (Community Warfare).
3) I dunno, PPC/AC's or whatever. (And SRMs.)

4) Forums need dislike button. Edit: That came out wrong, I mean that all those are things I wish we could just bury on the forums. Real issues get clouded among the 175,678th thread about how gauss charge time sucks. And... if it were really an issue for the majority of the community we could SEE THAT CLEARLY and it wouldn't be forum wars online.

Edited by Captain Stiffy, 20 March 2014 - 10:28 AM.

[Mechteric]

Captain Stiffy, on 20 March 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

...but there are so many games where I can either just buy the game once and never pay again or only pay 10-15 a month and not be gimp second rate all the time. There's no reason that I can fairly and/or rationally justify that there should be have's and have-not's in an online game. It's elitist, money-grubbing and downright shitty AT BEST. The entire "Free to Play" model is definitely the worst thing to ever happen to gaming, ever, ever ever.

I guess most 12-year-old's disagree with that. That are actually 12. Like, they have no money and they love "Free to Play" because they are still too young to understand that nothing is free except most software.

So how about you dedicate 10-15 bucks a month for the game to buy things at a pace that you prefer. As a 30 year old I'm pretty ok with this model because at least it means we get to play a Mechwarrior game. Without Free to Play we would not be playing Mechwarrior right now.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 20 March 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

uhm I don' tunderstand how this isn't a free game but ok lol

I have played fr a year now without paying a penny... Sorry I got Sara for $10, but that was on a promise that if it happened I would pay. And Us White Knight have to keep our promises.

[Captain Stiffy]

CapperDeluxe, on 20 March 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

So how about you dedicate 10-15 bucks a month for the game to buy things at a pace that you prefer. As a 30 year old I'm pretty ok with this model because at least it means we get to play a Mechwarrior game. Without Free to Play we would not be playing Mechwarrior right now.

You are saying the game is only worth producing if it is over-priced? What?

[Sandpit]

Captain Stiffy, on 20 March 2014 - 10:31 AM, said:

You are saying the game is only worth producing if it is over-priced? What?

No, he's pointing out that you're complaining about spending money on MWO in one breath and in the next have no problem paying sub fees or outright buying a game in the next

[Rokuzachi]

Agree with 1 and 2.

Cockpit glass just irritates me. I'll forget about it for a bit, then suddenly my screen is filled with it and and I'm instantly frustrated.

Solo-dropping on Terra Therma is miserable. Pugs file into the chokepoints and stand there all day getting poptarted + arty/airstruck into oblivion. The map has a lot of art issues too - missing geometry, one-sided textures, flickering textures/z-fighting. It's a poorly designed, poorly constructed map.

[Sandpit]

Rokuzachi, on 20 March 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Solo-dropping on Terra Therma is miserable. Pugs file into the chokepoints and stand there all day getting poptarted + arty/airstruck into oblivion.

Wouldn't be an issue if you could just group up with teammates you know as opposed to hoping you win the pug lottery

[Commander Binz]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 March 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

its always sad to lose a Stiffy.

+1 Post of the week!

[Ngamok]

1.) I don't even notice cockpit glass. I know I have great eye sight too.

2.) Complaining about a hot map. Every map can't be a Frozen City Night. If you don't have a variety of maps, how do expect people to have to adjust some to hot and cold conditions. Sure the maps could be done differently as they get better at making them.

3.) Sorry, game is Free to Play. Not one single person NEEDS to buy any sort of package to compete in this game. Not even Hero mechs. The package deals are there for convenience to avoid the grind. Every game out there has a grind. In MMOs it's always the gear grind + coin to buy or support your raid consumables. In shooters it's to unlock features. In CoD: Ghosts I need to grind squad points to be able to buy new gear set ups.

[meteorol]

Captain Stiffy, on 20 March 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

Terra Therma. This map always took crazy long to finish and was 75% walking around doing nothing. SO BORING. This map instantly knocked Alpine almost completely off my shit list. Also related is the inability to just CHOOSE THE MAP YOU WANT TO PLAY! The developers are so unsure of themselves that they absolutely fear adding this. They know nobody would ever play certain maps. Also there aren't enough players.

If nothing else, they should really upgrade the MM so that it doesn't drop guys into the same maps over and over and OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Played 7 matches today. 1 on alpine dirt, 1 on forest colony, 5 on forest colony snow. After playing the same map 6 time in a row i shut down the game and called it a day.
Dunno why, but the MM seems so incredibly streaky. If he loves a map for the evening, he drops me into it 3/4 of my games. I'm sending praises to the lord if the almighty MM allows me to play Crimson or Manifold a single time within one session.

[Green Mamba]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 March 2014 - 10:31 AM, said:

I have played fr a year now without paying a penny... Sorry I got Sara for $10, but that was on a promise that if it happened I would pay. And Us White Knight have to keep our promises.

Isnt that because your wife cut you off after spending $300 Joe?

[cSand]

Captain Stiffy, on 20 March 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

...but there are so many games where I can either just buy the game once and never pay again or only pay 10-15 a month and not be gimp second rate all the time. There's no reason that I can fairly and/or rationally justify that there should be have's and have-not's in an online game. It's elitist, money-grubbing and downright shitty AT BEST. The entire "Free to Play" model is definitely the worst thing to ever happen to gaming, ever, ever ever.

That would be true if the only thing you got for paying wasn't cosmetic items and different hardpoint configs

as it stands the only real advantage paying gives you is that it takes less time to get what you want. Hardly a case of haves and have-nots going on here.

I do agree that the FTP model is craptastic (mind you, the "AAA" $60 titles are hardly putting out quality material either), and say what you will about MWO's game itself, but their FTP model is actually one of the most reasonable out there

[Gallowglas]

Captain Stiffy, on 20 March 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

...but there are so many games where I can either just buy the game once and never pay again or only pay 10-15 a month and not be gimp second rate all the time. There's no reason that I can fairly and/or rationally justify that there should be have's and have-not's in an online game. It's elitist, money-grubbing and downright shitty AT BEST. The entire "Free to Play" model is definitely the worst thing to ever happen to gaming, ever, ever ever.

I guess most 12-year-old's disagree with that. That are actually 12. Like, they have no money and they love "Free to Play" because they are still too young to understand that nothing is free except most games after you buy them. These "kids nowadays" are being indoctrinated into this super-shit-tastic pricing model and it absolutely sickens me. This definitely heralds the next "video game crash".

I'm 43 and I don't agree with it either. I think some of you folks mistake having a lack of impulse control or jealousy about the guy driving the mech with all the swag with "expensive". You don't have to buy anything with real cash to be competitive. People do just fine (and often better) in the cbill variants. I have to agree with what others have said: out of all the complaints anyone could have with this game, the idea that you can't play for free is weak. Now, if you want to say that the for-pay items are too expensive, then that's an entirely different discussion.

Edited by Gallowglas, 20 March 2014 - 09:46 PM.

[Ordellus]

Spleenslitta, on 20 March 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:

I'll answer each of these.

1: it doesn't bother me any and i'm a quasi sniper type.(long story about the quasi part)
Oh...you got an eyeproblem...well that's that...oh well.

2: I used to hate it really badly too. Now i kinda like it and it's growing on me. I run pretty hot mechs too.

3: Expensive. This is the part i understand the least. I paid for the smallest founders package and haven't bought anything since.
If you want clan mechs just wait till they can be bought with C-bills. And if you buy a lot of cockpit items, hero/champion mechs and paintjobs then you just want to look fancy.
Being fashionable is expensive in the real world too.....even more so as a matter of fact.

He was stating how he felt.

Somehow you tried to make it about you.