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[INKBALL]

Hi guys,
I've been in the top 10 this weekend, so yes i played a bit, yes i pugged.

Even in pugs, LRMs are just too strong. Coordinated with narc or even without, its unplayable.

And to be honnest. I'm f**king tired of getting my ass cracked open by lrm ''pros'' who let someone else's get LoS and then shoot from cover.

Now, game objective is survival against LRM. Why i dont play LRM boat then ? Because it is F**KING boring. How you lrm boat can keep playing missile boat again and again !? I played missile boat 3-4 times since patch and it is flat boring... ''oh its strategic, you need to move with your team'', lol.

So I'm done raging, i think ill go back to warthunder until next patch.

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

INKBALL, on 23 March 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

Hi guys,
I've been in the top 10 this weekend, so yes i played a bit, yes i pugged.

Even in pugs, LRMs are just too strong. Coordinated with narc or even without, its unplayable.

And to be honnest. I'm f**king tired of getting my ass cracked open by lrm ''pros'' who let someone else's get LoS and then shoot from cover.

Now, game objective is survival against LRM. Why i dont play LRM boat then ? Because it is F**KING boring. How you lrm boat can keep playing missile boat again and again !? I played missile boat 3-4 times since patch and it is flat boring... ''oh its strategic, you need to move with your team'', lol.

So I'm done raging, i think ill go back to warthunder until next patch.

Obvious Troll is Obvious.....

[xCico]

Im with ya, i got 17 place in FRR, I just gave up, my best match was 1417 dmg 1 kill and I died, on other team was 7-8 lrm boats, after that lrms were mean to me, could not get good game because every time I told my team to push they just stand there and got ripped by LRMs... They putted tournament in wroooong time :/

[dario03]

Peekaboo I C JU, on 23 March 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

Obvious Troll is Obvious.....

I think telling us that you are trolling is taking the obvious troll a little far...

In any case I agree with the OP, LRMs are the least engaging form of play in this game. But hey some people like that so that is fine but they should tone the LRMs down a bit.

Edited by dario03, 23 March 2014 - 02:50 PM.

[KharnZor]

Every time i see a lrm thread these days i'm reminded of how few are the times that i die to them. Having said that i'm wondering how so many seem to be having issues with them. Different play styles i guess.

[TOPGUN Stinger]

INKBALL, on 23 March 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

Hi guys,
I've been in the top 10 this weekend, so yes i played a bit, yes i pugged.

Even in pugs, LRMs are just too strong. Coordinated with narc or even without, its unplayable.

And to be honnest. I'm f**king tired of getting my ass cracked open by lrm ''pros'' who let someone else's get LoS and then shoot from cover.

Now, game objective is survival against LRM. Why i dont play LRM boat then ? Because it is F**KING boring. How you lrm boat can keep playing missile boat again and again !? I played missile boat 3-4 times since patch and it is flat boring... ''oh its strategic, you need to move with your team'', lol.

So I'm done raging, i think ill go back to warthunder until next patch.

Wolfman: [watching a video of planes being shot down reading this post] This gives me a hard on.

Edited by TOPGUN Stinger, 23 March 2014 - 03:07 PM.

[Sandpit]

Yay, you felt the need to start a "new" thread about LRMs because.........

and no the whole "more people more posts" doesn't apply because I quickly saw the same exact people posting here as I do in every other thread. It's not "rampant" it's the sane 20 or so people.

[Rashhaverak]

Love the new LRMs. Finally, long range missiles are worth putting on a mech. We should finally see something in a missile slot besides SSRMs. And finally, LRMs can compete effectively against AC boats.

[INKBALL]

Compete ? do i kill you in 2 salves of AC in the front ? your LRMs put me down to 70% overall (not like AC who put 1hardpoint to 70%) in 2salves. And you didnt need to even SEE me, someone else did get your target and you clicked.

You were at a bad location, 760m from me, behind a mountain, no jj, and well, you killed me with your ''skills''

[Mcgral18]

INKBALL, on 24 March 2014 - 02:30 AM, said:

Compete ? do i kill you in 2 salves of AC in the front ? your LRMs put me down to 70% overall (not like AC who put 1hardpoint to 70%) in 2salves. And you didnt need to even SEE me, someone else did get your target and you clicked.

You were at a bad location, 760m from me, behind a mountain, no jj, and well, you killed me with your ''skills''

...you mean you wandered out into the open and died due to having no cover, but over 4 seconds warning, while Gauss ERPPC would have hit you in under a second...

Silly compaints.

[Joseph Mallan]

dario03, on 23 March 2014 - 02:47 PM, said:

I think telling us that you are trolling is taking the obvious troll a little far...

In any case I agree with the OP, LRMs are the least engaging form of play in this game. But hey some people like that so that is fine but they should tone the LRMs down a bit.

It is actually the longest form of engaging in the game... I don't know about least though.

[ApolloKaras]

Rashhaverak, on 23 March 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

Love the new LRMs. Finally, long range missiles are worth putting on a mech. We should finally see something in a missile slot besides SSRMs. And finally, LRMs can compete effectively against AC boats.

nah its over the top right now I can't believe anyone would think otherwise..... They needed that narc buff that would have taken care of it. Back the speed off the LRMs keep the narc buff and see what happens. I just watched an entire team get wiped in 5 minutes because of LRM spam... At least with AC/PPC the matches were a little longer.

[dario03]

Joseph Mallan, on 24 March 2014 - 06:29 AM, said:

It is actually the longest form of engaging in the game... I don't know about least though.

Not the form of engaging/engagement that I was talking about. So if you prefer I'll just say form of play that requires the least amount of attention to do.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I don't know if I am the biggest fan of the LRM buff, but I haven't really played enough to have a solid opinion on it.

I have been on the recieving end of some vicious LRM fire though, and that wasn't fun.

In anycase, might be time to re-configure the Cat C1 back to a more LRM based platform again (maybe 2LLasers, 2MLasers, 2 LRM10s). Might even go the tried and true 2 LRM15s with 4 MLasers.

Also, does make me want to try the 6 LRM15 Cat A1. Sure it doesn't have the most ammo, it's slow, and carries almost no armor, but it has to be fun (if not a bit funny) to use for a bit.

[Reptilizer]

INKBALL, on 23 March 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

*snip*
And to be honnest. I'm f**king tired of getting my ass cracked open by lrm ''pros'' who let someone else's get LoS and then shoot from cover.
*snip*

This somehow sounds to me like it is working as intended.
I mean, LRMs being an indirect fire weapon somewhat relying on teamwork to function well.
TAGer&LRMboat working well as team does not seem that surprising...

Now move your ass to cover when you hear the siren and look out for the spotter.
Finally some battlefield awareness is needed again to perform well. MWO still is borderline when looking at the advertised "thinking man" and actually could well use some more mechanics forcing tactics...

[Reptilizer]

MeiSooHaityu, on 24 March 2014 - 07:46 AM, said:

*snip*
In anycase, might be time to re-configure the Cat C1 back to a more LRM based platform again (maybe 2LLasers, 2MLasers, 2 LRM10s). Might even go the tried and true 2 LRM15s with 4 MLasers.

Also, does make me want to try the 6 LRM15 Cat A1. Sure it doesn't have the most ammo, it's slow, and carries almost no armor, but it has to be fun (if not a bit funny) to use for a bit.

Drove my founders for the tourney in just that classic 2x15 3ML 1 TAG config and while it is possible to perform well in this thing again, it is far from being OP. Ilya owns when compared. Hell, i even performed a lot better in my founders Hunch.

LRMs are not shit anymore, but you need stupid enemies to get some good score with them.
In any match with enemies showing half a brain, a light squad was ripping me up with half the ammo unspent...

[Jon Gotham]

Rashhaverak, on 23 March 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

Love the new LRMs. Finally, long range missiles are worth putting on a mech. We should finally see something in a missile slot besides SSRMs. And finally, LRMs can compete effectively against AC boats.

There is competing and then there is utter dominating matches. Which as they are being boated to excess currently, they do. I agree lrms should be effective, but currently they are a tad overmuch so.

INKBALL, on 24 March 2014 - 02:30 AM, said:

Compete ? do i kill you in 2 salves of AC in the front ? your LRMs put me down to 70% overall (not like AC who put 1hardpoint to 70%) in 2salves. And you didnt need to even SEE me, someone else did get your target and you clicked.

You were at a bad location, 760m from me, behind a mountain, no jj, and well, you killed me with your ''skills''

Whilst I don't like the tone of this, I can broadly agree. There is an element of skill in the positioning of the mech, anticipating the fight and so on-but inkball here is correct. You don't have to aim or expose yourself to any risk and can leech kills and damage all day long. there is little skill input besides reading the battle and moving accordingly.
And btw, I play lrm mechs-that is an informed comment.

Mcgral18, on 24 March 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

...you mean you wandered out into the open and died due to having no cover, but over 4 seconds warning, while Gauss ERPPC would have hit you in under a second...

Silly compaints.

That is an ignorant statement. In those 4 seconds, my medium hunchback has barely got underway let alone to full speed (it runs at 94kph), which by the way is woefully slow compared to lrm flight time. Also lrms can and do go over cover-I've done it myself.
If a mech is caught even in semi cover it's dead with a boat or two looking at it.
If you are caught out in the "open" vs lasers/acs you can jink, adjust speed or turn to throw off aim-with supersonic lrms you can't, as they are a tracking weapon not requiring any input from firing player beyond the LMB.

*DISCLAIMER*
I play lrm mechs too. I know how to play them thank you and how to avoid them. I rarely die to them, even now. I fully support them being useful, and no I don't want lrm player's game to be spoiled.
But in their current format, and that coupled with the FOTM "surat" boating them, they are gameplay damaging.

[Reptilizer]

kamiko kross, on 24 March 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

*snip*
That is an ignorant statement. In those 4 seconds, my medium hunchback has barely got underway let alone to full speed (it runs at 94kph), which by the way is woefully slow compared to lrm flight time. Also lrms can and do go over cover-I've done it myself.
If a mech is caught even in semi cover it's dead with a boat or two looking at it.
If you are caught out in the "open" vs lasers/acs you can jink, adjust speed or turn to throw off aim-with supersonic lrms you can't, as they are a tracking weapon not requiring any input from firing player beyond the LMB.

*DISCLAIMER*
I play lrm mechs too. I know how to play them thank you and how to avoid them. I rarely die to them, even now. I fully support them being useful, and no I don't want lrm player's game to be spoiled.
But in their current format, and that coupled with the FOTM "surat" boating them, they are gameplay damaging.

This is polemics to some degree. You do not die to a single salvo from ANY LRMboat. You also die to concentrated fire from 3 enemy mechs in the usual AC/5 PPC meta when standing out in the open. No twisting, speed adjustment possible because you will not even get a warning that they fired at you. Thus your example is constructed. Not ignorant but manipulative.

Also as you state yourself, one seldom dies from LRMs if one knows how they work. Although it is FOTM to carry em. I still die from PPC hits way more. Try and count for yourself from which weapon system you got killed most.
Bold statement: If it was LRMs -> welcome to the steering wheel underhive...

[Jon Gotham]

Hmm interesting opening statements there Reptilizer

"Thus your example is constructed. Not ignorant but manipulative."

I'm going to gloss over that implication of that statement-however it was meant.
The trouble is, from what I have witnessed since the buff....you can have over lrm 200 coming at you in one huge giga salvo. All from mechs that do not need los to achieve this. I was not discussing "out in the open."
Having 3 ac spammers is easier to deal with as ANY bit of cover will do to break the assault up (eg a dip in terrain, lrms will ignore this). Lrms CAN pass over some cover and STILL wreck your mech.
But the real issue here is, the amount of FOTM boaters that are spamming the use of them because they are perceived as much more effective. If it was one or two lrm boats shooting at you-it'd be much more manageable.
As it is, it can be 6+ half an entire team, all on one mech....from complete safety. I have a few mechs with twin ams systems. My twin ams AND my lances x3 single ams have not been able to intercept some salvos we have received. surely, you have to admit that is simply ridiculous.
So now, I run ECM mechs only.

Oh and what kills me the most? AC20 I think, dual AC20 that is. Usually get shot at whilst in another fight. As I play mediums and lights, usually only take one hit.

Edited by kamiko kross, 24 March 2014 - 08:35 AM.

[Solahma]

love the instant GAME OVER if you get hit by a NARC on Caustic Valley. No where to run... no where to hide... ur dead, that's it

lol

Edited by Solahma, 24 March 2014 - 08:35 AM.