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[MechPorn]

And, the Urbanmech responds:

[MechPorn]

I hope you all notice, it was changed from the fire pack, to the fired pack.

[Alaskan Nobody]

I hadn't noticed that.

(You did NOT notice those two letters)

[Adeptus Odren]

Damnit. Still no Urbie. I was hoping, really hoping that it would be among those announced.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Adeptus Odren, on 20 October 2014 - 06:10 PM, said:

Damnit. Still no Urbie. I was hoping, really hoping that it would be among those announced.

With the engine issues, odds were low.

Some day though - some day.

Hold that hope.
Hold that hope.

Edited by Shar Wolf, 20 October 2014 - 06:12 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

kosmos1214, on 20 October 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

actualy the stormcrow is the Ryoken same mech lol need to brush up on your clan names a bit

I was thinking Ruoken 2

[kosmos1214]

well they do seam to under stand that we really do want the urbie so i do be leave they will look at finding a way to put it in the game so expect we will see it at some point but they do need to figure out a way around the engine thing and how to make it more then a bad joke the new quirk system takes care of the not a bad joke part so now it only the engine

[mad kat]

TB Xiomburg, on 20 October 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

And, the Urbanmech responds:

Is that wrath pack a zeuss? If so i awesome, i mean cool.

[IraqiWalker]

mad kat, on 20 October 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

Is that wrath pack a zeuss? If so i awesome, i mean cool.

it's the new IS pack (Panther, Enforcer, Grasshopper, and Zeus)

[Ovion]

Ay.
The new IS pack.
Rushed out so people can stop moaning they don't want to buy a clan pack or spend more than $80 to get a free King Crab and Atlas.

Don't know if want tbh...

But hey, we should be getting the Urbie this year, now they know.

[Kifferson von doober]

they could work around the engine via quirks too, minus speed and minus tonnage for engines. messy though and not ideal.

[Sadato]

Easiest way to sort the issues with engine tonnage would be to make the required external heatsinks be attached to the engine as floating slots, similar to how IS Endo-Steel and Ferro-Fibrous work. That way all the engines can be the correct weight and this will also ensure that the 10 heatsink minimum rule is followed.

[Ovion]

As I've said before, really, the engine is easy - make it Fixed, job done.

With the equation they use for the Engines (from memory, I cba to go look right now), I believe the range was something like 60 to 95 it could use.

So with a changeable engine, you either:
Have it as 60 and 100, meaning certain other mechs would likely be able to take the 60 (Locust, Commando especially should be able to, maybe a few others where the equation works lower than 100 minimum).
Have it as 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95 engines (again, this would likely give access to a few other mechs).
This method would possibly want XL versions too.

This raises problems, as the STD60 in MWOs system would weigh roughly -1.5 tons.
Yes it'll require 8 external Heatsinks (for a total weight of 6.5T), possibly -2T for an XL version.

The STD 65-95 would be the same sort of wierd way.

BUT, if you make the Urbie have a Fixed STD60 Engine + 8 Heatsinks for 9.5 Tons base. (Apply Endo to make it 8T base).

Sadato, on 21 October 2014 - 03:48 AM, said:

Easiest way to sort the issues with engine tonnage would be to make the required external heatsinks be attached to the engine as floating slots, similar to how IS Endo-Steel and Ferro-Fibrous work. That way all the engines can be the correct weight and this will also ensure that the 10 heatsink minimum rule is followed.

You know, I like this.
A lot.

Nice and easy.
Do that.

It'd make this chart:

'External Slots Required' and the first 'Tons' is removed.

[Kifferson von doober]

yeah,thats much better, forget i said anything lol!

[Sadato]

Not sure if your weights are right. I believe these are the correct weights (as per TT). I think the current engines in game also include the Cockpit weight, so add 3 tons to both the STD and XL columns to match current in game Values.

If they add the 10 base heatsinks as dynamic slots, these weights should be correct (and then they can move the 3 tons for the cockpit back into the base weight of the 'mech).

Rating 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 95 100 105 110 115 120 125 130 135 140 145 150 155 160 165 170 175 180 185 190 195 200 205 210 215 220 225 230 235 240 245 250 255 260 265 270 275 280 285 290 295 300 305 310 315 320 325 330 335 340 345 350 355 360 365 370 375 380 385 390 395 400

Tonnage 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 1 1 1 1 1.5 1.5 1.5 2 2 2 2.5 2.5 3 3 3 3.5 3.5 4 4 4 4.5 4.5 5 5 5.5 5.5 6 6 6 7 7 7.5 7.5 8 8.5 8.5 9 9.5 10 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5 14 14.5 15.5 16 16.5 17.5 18 19 19.5 20.5 21.5 22.5 23.5 24.5 25.5 27 28.5 29.5 31.5 33 34.5 36.5 38.5 41 43.5 46 49 52.5

Gyro Tonnage 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4

STD Total Weight 1 1 1 1 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5 2 2.5 2.5 3 3 3 3.5 3.5 4 4 4 5 5 5.5 5.5 5.5 6 6 6.5 6.5 7 7.5 8 8 8 9 9 9.5 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 12.5 13 13.5 14 14.5 15 16 16.5 17 17.5 18.5 19 19.5 20.5 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30.5 32 33 35.5 37 38.5 40.5 42.5 45 47.5 50 53 56.5

XL Total Weight 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1.5 2 2 2 2 2 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 4 4 4 4 4.5 5 5 5 5 5.5 5.5 6 6 6 6.5 7 7 7.5 7.5 7.5 8 8 8.5 8.5 9 9.5 10 10 10.5 11 11 11.5 12 12 12.5 13.5 14 14.5 15 15.5 16 16.5 17 18 18.5 20 20.5 21.5 22.5 23.5 24.5 26 27 28.5 30.5

Edited by Sadato, 21 October 2014 - 06:22 AM.

[Ovion]

The weights in my chart are correct as per MWO.

It's just the weight of the engine plus the weight of the min heatsinks required.

An MWO STD100 weighs 1 Ton, requiring an additional 6 Heat Sinks for a total of 7 Tons for a STD100 engine.

[Sadato]

I think we're both right in that case then, as my STD 100 came to 4 tons. Add the cockpit (3 tons), and hey presto, 7 tons!

[Ovion]

Yeah, they've just abstracted it all out a bit.

Which is where the problem comes from.

However, not having to manually place the external Heat Sinks, plus having a set number of total slots + weight for an engine would be fantastic.

Make a suggestions thread, link it and you'll have my support!

[Sadato]

I dunno about that... sounds like effort!

Besides, I'm pretty sure that we don't need ANOTHER "Please make the Urbanmech" thread

[Ovion]

Not specifically please make the Urbanmech, I mean the Engine + Floating Heatsinks thing xD