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#21 Heffay

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:07 PM

View PostPyrrho, on 09 April 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

However, if Twitter is an avenue off of the main road that is mwomercs.com, it alone seems to be the only street open to thru traffic.


Vlogs
Podcasts
Reddit
Forums

Twitter isn't the only game in town. It's active, but heck, there is a ton of other channels still actively used.

The Twitter Tracker isn't even the biggest source of information in this subthread. The Developer Tracker has a ton of stuff posted all the time.

It's as if the existence of PGI Tweets has made you blind to all the other information that is out there. It's just *one* component of many that are all actively used.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:13 PM

View PostHeffay, on 09 April 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

It's as if the existence of PGI Tweets has made you blind to all the other information that is out there. It's just *one* component of many that are all actively used.


Except the forums, which was kind of my point. I guess the singling out of Twitter didn't need to be done. You list the Forums in your modes of communication, but it is the least used of them all. That just seems backwards, to me.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:45 PM

View PostHeffay, on 09 April 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:


Vlogs
Podcasts
Reddit
Forums


Vlogs = Replaced the bi-weekly AtD with an out of date information video every 4-6 weeks
Podcasts = every 3 to 6 months
Reddit = Aside from Kyle and Niko, get used about every 3 months
Forums = Lucky if one of the "Top 3" grace us with an offical CC post every few months. Though Karl has been awesome providing us with information that falls within his wheelhouse.

Oh, and where's Tom hiding?

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 02:42 PM

View PostNikolai Lubkiewicz, on 08 April 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:


Hi Hellen!

The tracker is perfect for you then. You can keep up with info from the tweets without ever having to sign up. While we appreciate your concern that Twitter may be viewed as unprofessional, you can rest assured that many industry leaders in video games, software, technology and entertainment have their own Twitter accounts and use them on a regular basis for personal, professional and marketing purposes. We hope you don't mind if we continue to evolve and utilize the various forms of Social Media at our disposal to help us reach a wider audience and interact with players who might otherwise not regard forums as a preferable system of Community interaction. Thanks for your understanding.

My problem with this is that while a lot of video game, software, technology, and entertainment companies use twitter for the reasons you state it also has a habit of getting them in trouble with their customers when they post little blurbs of out of context info on the fly. Is it convenient for lazy professionals? Sure, but is it professional to use it as a primary form of communitcation? No, not even a little. It is great for marketing or letting people know things like the servers are down, but it should not be a place for much needed dialog. As for expanding your audiance and reaching people who might not like a certain medium how about you expand your reach from other corners of the internet like reddit and twitter and have the devs post here because they put little to no effort into communicating here.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 03:03 PM

Karl has had the best posts of all of them and better than the top 3 or 4 put together over the last few Mo's.......

http://mwomercs.com/...courtesy-phone/

To bad it is buried in the OFF TOPIC thread, because it is the most On TOPIC Posts that any of them made so far this year`

Edited by Lazor Sharp, 09 April 2014 - 05:40 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 03:33 PM

Adding on to the problem with Twitter, is that Russ is the most prolific of the "Big 3" but he doesn't know everything (it can be argued if he should or not, I can't make that call), but because he is the most active, everyone throws their questions at him. Many times he'll give the answer "I'm not sure, ask Paul". Why? Paul rarely checks in unless pressed by Russ, which is rarely, so the question dies unanswered.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 04:09 PM

View PostNikolai Lubkiewicz, on 08 April 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

The tracker is perfect for you then. You can keep up with info from the tweets without ever having to sign up. While we appreciate your concern that Twitter may be viewed as unprofessional, you can rest assured that many industry leaders in video games, software, technology and entertainment have their own Twitter accounts and use them on a regular basis for personal, professional and marketing purposes. We hope you don't mind if we continue to evolve and utilize the various forms of Social Media at our disposal to help us reach a wider audience and interact with players who might otherwise not regard forums as a preferable system of Community interaction. Thanks for your understanding.


It's not so much the need to sign up (I don't want to, but would be fine doing it) or the fact that it's "unprofessional;" (again, almost every major corporation has a twitter account) but rather the fact that Twitter is an awful way to communicate ideas with any degree of nuance.

So it's fine that MWO has a twitter. I actually think it's great. A fantastic twitter post would be, "MWO tournament this weekend, sign up today!" (short url) #MWO #mehwarrior." Twitter, however, is not a good place to post patch notes that are pages long, discuss why certain chassis are too good or not good enough, why it's important for the overall health of the game that SRMs get fixed, etc. Yet all those discussions have moved from the forum to twitter. Please tell me you understand the difference between "VTR getting -20% torso twist this patch #mwo" and a three paragraph post that lists what the change is, why it was done, and what the intended goal of the change is.

The other big problem with twitter is that it is essentially a unidirectional channel of communication. If I'm trying to explain why this game will never be healthy without functioning SRMs, I need to explain why the long range meta is prevalent and good, why SRMs are bad, why other close range weapons alone aren't enough to bring close-range fighting up to scratch vs sniping, and more. It is impossible to have a good dialogue about complicated systems on Twitter.

As an addendum to the previous: while I did say that twitter is not inherently unprofessional, I don't feel that the way it is being used now is terribly professional. Russ and Bryan have both been known to block and ignore anyone who disagrees with them, even if it is in a polite, rational manner. That's not good for the long-term health of the game. It shows that they've left for twitter not because they feel it's a better way to reach more people, but because it lets them broadcast without having to hear any replies that they don't like. The fact that they seem unwilling to listen to anyone who has even a fleeting negative opinion is troubling, and suggests that all the rational discourse in the world means nothing to them, and the game will go where they want it, the rest of us be darned.

So if you have any ability at all to get Paul, Bryan, and Russ back on the forums, please do it. Post a couple paragraphs every week, more if they can- and then link it on twitter. Twitter can be incredibly useful, but what it's being used for now is far from the best way to utilize it, and the fact that it is being leveraged at the expense of a system that would be better suited to the form of communication they're trying to use is frustrating.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 05:30 PM

View PostNikolai Lubkiewicz, on 08 April 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

manually compiled by myself

That lostech is ...amazing. Any plans to add a dev tracker?

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:58 PM

Lol @ Twitter bagging.

It is a great medium for getting messages out to consumers and stakeholders. Any smart industry realises the potential that social media has at reaching people. In particular, when something is trending it is all over social media and the reach is huge. How do you suppose online content goes viral so quickly.. ..social media.

That is all.

p.s. GW with logging these 'twits' (lol) - especially for users that do not have twitter!

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 05:12 PM

https://twitter.com/...287445373513728
@bryanekman said:
Updated the #mwo Plan - http://www.mwomercs.com/theplan - changes to Launch Mod and Clans mostly, add some smaller features as well.

Launch Module in eight days, sitting at 44%. I can't wait!

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 01:31 PM

I am on the fence between Heffay and the Big Meanies on this. I am glad Russ and some others are on Twitter, and I think it is great for quick answers to questions and announcements saying "changes, click here for details", etc., but I think we need a little more professional of a response on a lot of these things.

For instance, Russ has answered a lot of questions, which is great, but finding those answers after the fact is immensely annoying, if not impossible. Having the Developer Tracker, and now the Twitter Tracker, is a step in the right direction, but honestly the answers should be documented somewhere organized for posterity. We are discussing this in Karl's thread already, but we need an official "MWO wiki" that is verified info. A volunteer from the community can compile it, as long as a staff member verifies the info presented on a monthly basis. This can be called, I don't know.... the User Manual?... I know, odd name and no one ever reads one of those, but I think it may fit in this case.

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 10:10 AM

I'd been wondering what had become of it. Thanks for keeping us informed!

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 04:50 AM

View PostNikolai Lubkiewicz, on 08 April 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:


Hi Hellen!

The tracker is perfect for you then. You can keep up with info from the tweets without ever having to sign up. While we appreciate your concern that Twitter may be viewed as unprofessional, you can rest assured that many industry leaders in video games, software, technology and entertainment have their own Twitter accounts and use them on a regular basis for personal, professional and marketing purposes. We hope you don't mind if we continue to evolve and utilize the various forms of Social Media at our disposal to help us reach a wider audience and interact with players who might otherwise not regard forums as a preferable system of Community interaction. Thanks for your understanding.
LOL... My Bro did a "thing" in school on Computers back in the 70s... Professional back then was shorts a T shirt sandal for the programmers! B)





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