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[East Indy]

CapperDeluxe, on 11 April 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

Even in cases of equivalent tonnage, if half the team is assault mechs it makes for a completely different kind of match and probably makes the "murderball" phenomenon even more likely.

This, exactly. Gameplay is like night and day when teams are lighter, and especially more enjoyable for players actually in those lighter 'Mechs. I'd go so far as to say the game isn't and was never intended to be balanced for 1,100-ton teams -- and that a lot of frustrations are associated with weight distortion.

[OneEyed Jack]

SiorAlpin Wolf, on 11 April 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

Please dont delay 3-3-3-3 patch, i seriously cant do any more drops with the way things are at present, talk about driving future potential funders away when you are faced with a match result like this one.

I notice you're in an Assault....

Let's see how your shortsighted tush feels about it when you want to roll with that mech and get "failed to find... failed to find... failed to find..."

[DONTOR]

SiorAlpin Wolf, on 11 April 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

Please dont delay 3-3-3-3 patch, i seriously cant do any more drops with the way things are at present, talk about driving future potential funders away when you are faced with a match result like this one.



Matches like this at this stage in development should not happen, im sorry to say this but there are too many things broken which are taking far too long to fix to warrant any form of good will funding. The match making system should have (along with alot of other things) been fixed 12 months ago, if not longer.

And people question why MWO isnt making enough money, as my business lecturer said to me during my last year of university

"Concentrate on the project at hand, spread yourself too thin and you will only be a successful failure"

I just hope to all powers that this isnt the case with MWO.

Team skill (or bad luck)seems to be the main issue with that result, you did best on your team with 300+ damage, it wasnt an issue with the tonnage or composition.

[Mystere]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 April 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

6 assaults on both teams That used to be considered a fair fight... Whats become of our Warriors?

They have become soft and weak after being given the "Everyone is a winner!" treatment all their lives!

[C E Dwyer]

SiorAlpin Wolf, on 11 April 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

Please dont delay 3-3-3-3 patch, i seriously cant do any more drops with the way things are at present, talk about driving future potential funders away when you are faced with a match result like this one.



Matches like this at this stage in development should not happen, im sorry to say this but there are too many things broken which are taking far too long to fix to warrant any form of good will funding. The match making system should have (along with alot of other things) been fixed 12 months ago, if not longer.

And people question why MWO isnt making enough money, as my business lecturer said to me during my last year of university

"Concentrate on the project at hand, spread yourself too thin and you will only be a successful failure"

I just hope to all powers that this isnt the case with MWO.

so just what is the problem.

3/3/3/3 will in theory stop poorly weighted games, its not going to in anyway stop teams with little skill getting flattend

[SiorAlpin Wolf]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 April 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

6 assaults on both teams That used to be considered a fair fight... Whats become of our Warriors?

Its new players vs experienced, thats the problem with that particular battle, i was watching the team and there was no experience being shown by the any but 4 pilots, so as far as experience goes that score board shows 4 relatively experienced pilots vs at least 8

[Mystere]

SiorAlpin Wolf, on 11 April 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Its new players vs experienced, thats the problem with that particular battle, i was watching the team and there was no experience being shown by the any but 4 pilots, so as far as experience goes that score board shows 4 relatively experienced pilots vs at least 8

So how is forced class matching like 3/3/3/3 supposed to cure that?

[AlmightyAeng]

SiorAlpin Wolf, on 11 April 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Its new players vs experienced, thats the problem with that particular battle, i was watching the team and there was no experience being shown by the any but 4 pilots, so as far as experience goes that score board shows 4 relatively experienced pilots vs at least 8

Why do you think limiting the chassis to 3/3/3/3 is going to change that?

[SiorAlpin Wolf]

Ghost Badger, on 11 April 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

I think the point the OP is making is that he's desperately waiting for a premade of 4 players to take the 3 Assault slots and a heavy slot so that they can more effectively carry his team by making sure the the "firepower" mechs aren't in the wrong hands.

That'll keep him from getting steamrolled, right?

I run in pre-mades and as pug to get a fair gauge of the game, i also run in all weight class mechs and favour the light and heavy mechs. I have also been on the steam rolled side and the side that has done the steam rolling and to be honest i dont like winning in this manner.

So as i said these types of matches shouldnt happen in a game this far into its development, im not after the easy button game nor the meta game, neither am i expecting every one is a winner treatment. I just want a good fair fight against equally skilled pilots.

Just look at the scores, there were 2 players on the team with no score at all , humph , maybe i will never get a good fair fight in this game, but it wont stop me trying.

[Profiteer]

The real problem here is that you dropped with 4 trial mechs on your side.

Those 4 mechs did a grand total of 30 damage between them.

It's a friggin joke.

New players should be a in separate queue for a good 100 games.

It can totally ruin a match when you get a drop like this, it's essentially 8 vs 12; and it can't be any fun for the newbs getting face slapped as shown as they show up to a battle.

[Sug]

HA!! I'm in that screenshot

Ugh. Not a very good showing though.

[Lootee]

Profiteer, on 11 April 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

The real problem here is that you dropped with 4 trial mechs on your side.

Those 4 mechs did a grand total of 30 damage between them.

It's a friggin joke.

New players should be a in separate queue for a good 100 games.

It can totally ruin a match when you get a drop like this, it's essentially 8 vs 12; and it can't be any fun for the newbs getting face slapped as shown as they show up to a battle.

Looked more like a 12 v 6 to me. The non-trial Misery and Victor didn't help much either. Half of his team put together did a combined total of less than 70pts of damage.

Had to be some CTD, AFK, or network fail going on here.

I don't think 3/3/3/3 really would have made any difference with that many linkdead/braindead/computerdead teammates.

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 11 April 2014 - 02:29 PM.

[Trauglodyte]

Sug, on 11 April 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

HA!! I'm in that screenshot

Ugh. Not a very good showing though.

You're not supposed to name and shame yourself, silly. Though, 212 in an AWS-9M isn't horrible. From the look of the game, it looks like the opposing side got rolled so fast that meaningful damage wasn't possible. Average damage for your side was 284.6 which means you did 75% of average. The top dogs on your side did 520 and 560 so there weren't any real big bangers. Like I said, the match was probably over before it would have even started given a better opponent. Hell, the game only lasted 4m and 51s.

[Mystere]

SiorAlpin Wolf, on 11 April 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

I run in pre-mades and as pug to get a fair gauge of the game, i also run in all weight class mechs and favour the light and heavy mechs. I have also been on the steam rolled side and the side that has done the steam rolling and to be honest i dont like winning in this manner.

So as i said these types of matches shouldnt happen in a game this far into its development, im not after the easy button game nor the meta game, neither am i expecting every one is a winner treatment. I just want a good fair fight against equally skilled pilots.

Just look at the scores, there were 2 players on the team with no score at all , humph , maybe i will never get a good fair fight in this game, but it wont stop me trying.

You are still not anwering everyone's question. How is forced class matching like 3/3/3/3 supposed to fix that?

Edited by Mystere, 11 April 2014 - 01:58 PM.

[Sug]

Trauglodyte, on 11 April 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

You're not supposed to name and shame yourself, silly. Though, 212 in an AWS-9M isn't horrible.

To be fair! I was running it as a short range direct fire energy boat. So everyone might have been about dead by the time I got to the front lines.

Seriously I have a 2.64 KDR in that mech and average 374 damage per match. I swear I'm not horrible!

Edited by Sug, 11 April 2014 - 02:11 PM.

[WVAnonymous]

Trauglodyte, on 11 April 2014 - 11:20 AM, said:

Never, buddy. Typically, though, when you see Champion mechs that are currently on the trial list, you can assume that you're getting either a new player, someone using what they're given to level up that variant (which makes no sense cause you still can't apply those XP points towards unlocking efficiencies), or you've got someone that is simply trying out something new without buying it. If you were to see an Atlas, Cicada, Dragon, Centurion, etc champ, you'd know that was someone that actually bought that model and are using it.

With all things, you can't really assume quality and skill on a chassis. BUT, typically, you can assume that anythin on the current trial list is probably going to be a stinker. If they prove you wrong, then it's pure gravy.

I deliberately run the trial mechs to play with people's heads... Sure it's stock but noobs can't do the Victor 9S(C) JJ to peak altitude and then double UAC5 you on the smooth way down.

I'm too cheap to actually buy a (C) mech to mod it and mess with people's heads even more effectively.

[Androas]

SiorAlpin Wolf, on 11 April 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

I run in pre-mades and as pug to get a fair gauge of the game, i also run in all weight class mechs and favour the light and heavy mechs. I have also been on the steam rolled side and the side that has done the steam rolling and to be honest i dont like winning in this manner.

So as i said these types of matches shouldnt happen in a game this far into its development, im not after the easy button game nor the meta game, neither am i expecting every one is a winner treatment. I just want a good fair fight against equally skilled pilots.

Just look at the scores, there were 2 players on the team with no score at all , humph , maybe i will never get a good fair fight in this game, but it wont stop me trying.

As long as ELO is used, this kind of Match will *allways* happen, because you need to give new players a certain Pool to bring into the System, else you would end up with groups where it is imposible to get out of (for ex. if every new player had 0 ELO when he starts, he could never Gain Points, because Points you gain, are taken away from someone else, if nobody has Points, nobody can Gain points)

And that way, people would be stuck in an infinite loop of no escape.

So, you allways will get matched, where newbys are stomped by more experienced Players, except, you do away with ELO (which is for 1 vs 1 anyway) and use a system which is better able to judge personal skill.

[AlmightyAeng]

SiorAlpin Wolf, on 11 April 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

I run in pre-mades and as pug to get a fair gauge of the game, i also run in all weight class mechs and favour the light and heavy mechs. I have also been on the steam rolled side and the side that has done the steam rolling and to be honest i dont like winning in this manner.

So as i said these types of matches shouldnt happen in a game this far into its development, im not after the easy button game nor the meta game, neither am i expecting every one is a winner treatment. I just want a good fair fight against equally skilled pilots.

Just look at the scores, there were 2 players on the team with no score at all , humph , maybe i will never get a good fair fight in this game, but it wont stop me trying.

You apparently missed the extreme sarcasm of my post.

I wasn't saying you're a bad player. I was pointing out that there was no weight imbalance in that match. Weight imbalance is all that 3/3/3/3 is going to fix. It doesn't solve the fact that your weight-balanced match had one team that couldn't pilot it's way out of a paper bag.

[Davers]

SiorAlpin Wolf, on 11 April 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

Please dont delay 3-3-3-3 patch, i seriously cant do any more drops with the way things are at present, talk about driving future potential funders away when you are faced with a match result like this one.



Matches like this at this stage in development should not happen, im sorry to say this but there are too many things broken which are taking far too long to fix to warrant any form of good will funding. The match making system should have (along with alot of other things) been fixed 12 months ago, if not longer.

And people question why MWO isnt making enough money, as my business lecturer said to me during my last year of university

"Concentrate on the project at hand, spread yourself too thin and you will only be a successful failure"

I just hope to all powers that this isnt the case with MWO.

They had an Awesome AND a Commando and they beat you?

[Homeless Bill]

Occasionally, I'll come back to check out the forums, then I see a thread like this and immediately leave. You posted a screenshot of you getting rolled by a team with less tonnage and then ***** about how it's tonnage/class imbalance? I just...