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[Iqfish]

New Bundles:

- Small C-Bill Bundle: 1,100,000 C-Bills for 800 MC
- Medium C-Bills Bundle: 2,400,000 C-Bills for 1600 MC
- Large C-Bills Bundle: 6,500,000 C-Bills for 4000 MC


So apparently we can now buy C-Bills for MC.

My opinion: mixed feelings.

On the one hand it seems like the beginning of P2W, on the other this was possible with buying/selling Hero 'Mechs already before.


What do you think?

[Bilbo]

It was possible buying/selling any mech with MC. Either way, it's just a time saver. Nothing more.

[Artgathan]

The deals are bad.

Buy the Champion Jenner for 1450 MC, sell XL engine for 2.45 million.

It's definitely not P2W though - just P2reduceGrind. You can't buy skill, only equipment.

Edited by Artgathan, 15 April 2014 - 10:32 AM.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Its money for convenience. I don't have a problem with this but I do not think it is a good purchase. Its like a less efficient form of premium time. Definitely not pay to win, though.

Edited by Rouken, 15 April 2014 - 10:36 AM.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

This has nothing to do with P2W. It has everything to do with Pay for Convenience, the best form of Free to Play monetization.

The only concern I have is with pricing, and without doing some math I'm not willing to comment. I assume that the bundle pricing is mapped to mech prices, with mech-for-mc being more efficient but c-bill-for-mc being better than buying a mech with mc just to sell for the c-bills.

[utzelbrutz]

In this years Best-of-Five Season the winner of the first match is:

Pay2Win!

Congratulations for your choice. This will push the game to a new level.


....oh myyy....

[Iqfish]

utzelbrutz, on 15 April 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

In this years Best-of-Five Season the winner of the first match is:

Pay2Win!

Congratulations for your choice. This will push the game to a new level.


....oh myyy....

Explain further please

[Mister Blastman]

Iqfish, on 15 April 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

New Bundles:

- Small C-Bill Bundle: 1,100,000 C-Bills for 800 MC
- Medium C-Bills Bundle: 2,400,000 C-Bills for 1600 MC
- Large C-Bills Bundle: 6,500,000 C-Bills for 4000 MC


So apparently we can now buy C-Bills for MC.

My opinion: mixed feelings.

On the one hand it seems like the beginning of P2W, on the other this was possible with buying/selling Hero 'Mechs already before.


What do you think?

I have 220 million in c-bills. I could care less. Actually, I do. The thing that makes me mad is I can't sell my c-bills for MC.

I'd have a nice stable of hero mechs if I could.

[Bront]

Pricing is bad, way too expensive. You can buy and sell the Champion Jenner for a better deal.

But definitely not pay to win.

[Creovex]

Artgathan, on 15 April 2014 - 10:32 AM, said:

The deals are bad.

Buy the Champion Jenner for 1450 MC, sell XL engine for 2.45 million.

It's definitely not P2W though - just P2reduceGrind. You can't buy skill, only equipment.

That does sum up this F2P model. All the paying really gets you is unique paint scheme on hero mechs, and reduced grind time. Everything else is do-able without MC.

[Calamus]

I think that the current exchange for how many c-bills you get for real world dollars (mc) is a joke.

With such a crappy exchange rate, I'm not worried about it at all. Anyone buying a measly 6 million c-bills for close to $20 real cash is a moron, and deserves to be separated from their money. 6 million c-bills will get you what? Double heat sinks, and an XL engine? Please.

[LauLiao]

I think this has more to do with the upcoming CW and the 20 million per person (or whatever the number they gave was) C-Bill requirement to buy a dropship to start a Merc corp.

[Flying Blind]

yup the deal is bad, but definitely not pay to win.

no surprise really, everything else in this game costs too much why shouldn't this too?

[Mystere]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 15 April 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

This has nothing to do with P2W. It has everything to do with Pay for Convenience, the best form of Free to Play monetization.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I have already seen quite a few of people calling premium time as P2W. So I expect this to be an accusation too. In fact, it has already started:

utzelbrutz, on 15 April 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

In this years Best-of-Five Season the winner of the first match is:

Pay2Win!

Congratulations for your choice. This will push the game to a new level.


....oh myyy....

Edited by Mystere, 15 April 2014 - 11:01 AM.

[Deathlike]

This is P2F. Someone beat PGI @ its own math.

[Simbacca]

While I like the idea of C-Bill bundles, I have to agree with other players - they are really really really overpriced.

[MisterPlanetarian]

Simbacca, on 15 April 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

While I like the idea of C-Bill bundles, I have to agree with other players - they are really really really overpriced.

They are kinda supposed to be, otherwise whats the point of premium time unless you play 24/7? This is mainly to discourage mech buying and selling for cbills.

[Deathlike]

Technically, you could buy 1 day of premium time, grind for 1-2 hours and get 1.1m C-bills easy.

So, the math is terrible, and PGI should feel terrible.

[Iqfish]

Deathlike, on 15 April 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

Technically, you could buy 1 day of premium time, grind for 1-2 hours and get 1.1m C-bills easy.

So, the math is terrible, and PGI should feel terrible.

**** them for not making their packages P2W enough, right?

[Roadbeer]

Let me put on my Tinfoil hat for a second.

Forumites: "Hey, PGI, this kinda sucks not getting rewards in Private Matches, consumables are burning Cbills and I'm not earning anything to buy new mechs"
PGI: "You can buy consumables, mechs and Cbills for MC, what's the problem?"

Normally, I'd be for this conversion, but given that there is now a way to NOT earn Cbills to purchase items, suddenly MC consumables, mech purchases and now MC-Cbill conversion has an excuse