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[DONTOR]

My inerest in these two came from a match I played yesterday in my huggin AC20. I dont use the AC20 much but in that game i came out with 3 kills all from well placed continous AC20 shots, and it got me thinking.

The AC20 is simply amazing even on its own. So what Heavily armored mechs can I take that focus almost entirely on a single AC20, speed, and a standard engine. These are my Line breaker Jaeger, and Orion builds.

The Jaeger DD
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...eddec3655745b78
Played 3 games with it ended 12 kills and 1 death, Got 10 of the kills with the AC20 and the other 2 with only my right side remaining (MGs and 1 MPL)

The Orion VA
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a249b469d0b6a2b
Only got in 1 game with it but had 5 kills and 5 assists off the bat, with 700 ish damage, was a stick at the end of the match however.

All of the back up weapons focus on speed, to get the kill if need be inbetween AC20 shots.
I forgot to change the armor values on the torsos but they both have majority front armor.

All in all I made ths post to praise the effectiveness of a single well placed AC20 shots, even lights were non problematic.

[cSand]

Welcome to boomstick land sir, I hope you enjoy your stay

My friend known as "sixbux" on MWO who I play with introduced me to his build of 2xERLLAS AC20 Orion. Gave it shot and damn. Talk about crushing fools

I've said it before and I'll say it again

there are few things in this game more satisfying that blasting a light with an AC20 while it's running and watching it cartwheel off

Edited by cSand, 10 April 2014 - 10:04 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

yo uknow siege engines are more traditionally support units, not the front line brawlers, right? And those front line brawlers (like battering rams) would be more akin to ac40 yagers and SplatCats.

The QuadAC Banshee is a more what I think of for a Siege Engine. (As are LRMBoats) (picking nits here, I know)

Of course, battering rams and such are meant to make the breach and then be discarded, so endurance/sustainability beyond the initial crushing breach is pretty secondary. This is my off beat Orion following that concept:
ON1-VA
I've' landed just shy of 1300 damage, and 7 kills in it. Find a weak spot, and it tends to breach rather nicely!

[Bishop Steiner]

or for real shock value, you could try my trusty old Big Bertha

You did NOT want to get into CQB with against that thing. by your 3rd Alpha you were overheated, but if you could pause your left arm and right arm by that .5 second to avoid GH, sham wow you could lay out some hurt.

Ammo is a tad light, but TBH, it was meant as a true siege engine, and survival after getting your 3-4 kills was a secondary consideration. I would find the weak point, breach, kill, and my 3 lance mates would come in and mop up. (and it's a potential for 1340 damage before running out of ammo)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 10 April 2014 - 10:16 AM.

[EyeOne]

Cataphract-1X - Fast, max armor, more ammo than you really need and good back up weapons.

[DONTOR]

EyeOne, on 10 April 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Cataphract-1X - Fast, max armor, more ammo than you really need and good back up weapons.

actually started with a Phract 3D but I HATE AC20 Medium laser only builds, they are boring and rather un maginitive (though tried and true).

Bishop Steiner, on 10 April 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

yo uknow siege engines are more traditionally support units, not the front line brawlers, right? And those front line brawlers (like battering rams) would be more akin to ac40 yagers and SplatCats.

The QuadAC Banshee is a more what I think of for a Siege Engine. (As are LRMBoats) (picking nits here, I know)

Ya I realised halfway in that Linebreaker is really what I was going for, but siege engine seems to grab peoples attention better.
Oh ya and that Bertha is a alpha strike beast, fun but a bit slow for my brawling taste.

Edited by DONTOR, 10 April 2014 - 11:24 AM.

[EyeOne]

DONTOR, on 10 April 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

actually started with a Phract 3D but I HATE AC20 Medium laser only builds, they are boring and rather un maginitive (though tried and true).

I don't disagree necessarily but it's kind of what you asked for.

[Bishop Steiner]

DONTOR, on 10 April 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

actually started with a Phract 3D but I HATE AC20 Medium laser only builds, they are boring and rather un maginitive (though tried and true).

Ya I realised halfway in that Linebreaker is really what I was going for, but siege engine seems to grab peoples attention better.
Oh ya and that Bertha is a alpha strike beast, fun but a bit slow for my brawling taste.

Oh yeah, that is why I don't play it much. Have to be in a good premade to really make it shine. Get caught out in a herd of cats on Alpine and you are screwed.

That was when I designed the ac10. quad ASRM4 version. The 340XL covers a number of sins.

[DONTOR]

EyeOne, on 10 April 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

I don't disagree necessarily but it's kind of what you asked for.

Indeed it is, I lose interest in medim lasers heavy builds quickly because of how many builds I have that use them. This AC20 focus is a fresh playstyle for me and I dont want to ruin it with MLs, I meant no disrespect to your build.

I also just realised I can do that Orion build on my Protector and have a 50/50 split in firepower, if I lose a side torso!

Edited by DONTOR, 10 April 2014 - 11:59 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

DONTOR, on 10 April 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

Indeed it is, I lose interest in medim lasers heavy builds quickly because of how many builds I have that use them. This AC20 focus is a fresh playstyle for me and I dont want to ruin it with MLs, I meant no disrespect to your build.

I also just realised I can do that Orion build on my Protector and have a 50/50 split in firepower, if I lose a side torso!

how about a totally medium laser free ac20 mech?
ON1-VA

[DONTOR]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 April 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

how about a totally medium laser free ac20 mech?
ON1-VA

Good suggestion there Bishop, but im trying not to rely on SRMs either at the moment with hit registration the way it is. Just wait till SRMs register properly im going to have to rebuild the majority of my mechs, and I seriously cant wait.
On the other hand I could lose the MLs on my original Orion VA for 2 more SRM2s which would work well (if they would register).

[Bishop Steiner]

DONTOR, on 10 April 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

Good suggestion there Bishop, but im trying not to rely on SRMs either at the moment with hit registration the way it is. Just wait till SRMs register properly im going to have to rebuild the majority of my mechs, and I seriously cant wait.
On the other hand I could lose the MLs on my original Orion VA for 2 more SRM2s which would work well (if they would register).

OK; well it has a pair of MLasers, but ON1-VA? Lights will fear you real quick like.

[DONTOR]

Thats the EXACT loadout I had before I changed it, dropped the extra DHS,AMS,BAP, and the switch to SRMs to fit my standard 340 (80KPH). I think part of the AC20s appeal is mounting it on a fast mover, atleast for me.

[Bishop Steiner]

DONTOR, on 10 April 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Thats the EXACT loadout I had before I changed it, dropped the extra DHS,AMS,BAP, and the switch to SRMs to fit my standard 340 (80KPH). I think part of the AC20s appeal is mounting it on a fast mover, atleast for me.

as a 106 kph YLW pilot, got no clue what you talking about......

[DONTOR]

Yes but this is a standard engine and cant be de clawed as easily. A victor can go faster with an AC20 also but I kinda like the AC20 in the torso instead. Just seems more durable overall.

[LastPaladin]

DONTOR, on 10 April 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

My inerest in these two came from a match I played yesterday in my huggin AC20. I dont use the AC20 much but in that game i came out with 3 kills all from well placed continous AC20 shots, and it got me thinking.

The AC20 is simply amazing even on its own. So what Heavily armored mechs can I take that focus almost entirely on a single AC20, speed, and a standard engine. These are my Line breaker Jaeger, and Orion builds.

The Jaeger DD
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...eddec3655745b78
Played 3 games with it ended 12 kills and 1 death, Got 10 of the kills with the AC20 and the other 2 with only my right side remaining (MGs and 1 MPL)

The Orion VA
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a249b469d0b6a2b
Only got in 1 game with it but had 5 kills and 5 assists off the bat, with 700 ish damage, was a stick at the end of the match however.

All of the back up weapons focus on speed, to get the kill if need be inbetween AC20 shots.
I forgot to change the armor values on the torsos but they both have majority front armor.

All in all I made ths post to praise the effectiveness of a single well placed AC20 shots, even lights were non problematic.

Try a FLAME with AC20 and 4 m lasers in the arms. You can get it to go about 82 kph with a standard, and it does surprisingly well for a Dragon.

[Bishop Steiner]

LastPaladin, on 11 April 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

Try a FLAME with AC20 and 4 m lasers in the arms. You can get it to go about 82 kph with a standard, and it does surprisingly well for a Dragon.

he hates medium lasers. too common.

[EyeOne]

Cataphract-2X - Not a single medium laser

[Bishop Steiner]

EyeOne, on 11 April 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

Cataphract-2X - Not a single medium laser

too light on ammo. Especially on the SRMs. It can spare some heat efficiency though, so
Improved CTF-2X "Line-Breaker"

[DONTOR]

EyeOne, on 11 April 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

Cataphract-2X - Not a single medium laser

Oooooh I really like that actually I would lose the LPL for 2 MPLs, and more ammo, switch the SRM4s to 2s and put in a 325 standard........ If I owned that mech
I actually really want it now!

How I would use it (more speed)CTF-2X
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...753c3b1ccd83517

LastPaladin, on 11 April 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

Try a FLAME with AC20 and 4 m lasers in the arms. You can get it to go about 82 kph with a standard, and it does surprisingly well for a Dragon.

Actually I do like this one with Mls because only 1 Missle hardpoint isnt really worth it, and I tried it with SLs but it wasnt enough. Also it can go more like 90KPH so it pretty speedy. Dragons work better as skirmishers / long range harrasers, rather than brawlers as its nearly impossible to miss the CT in a brawl.

Edited by DONTOR, 11 April 2014 - 01:55 PM.