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#141 Wildstreak

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:32 PM

Here I thought this was an actual discussion thread, my mistake. :(
I have no idea what this 'deleted thread' was.

View PostBishop Steiner, on 18 April 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

gotta love the sausage fest this has become.



View PostBishop Steiner, on 18 April 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

Bloodwolf, give it up man, you are getting smoked on the epeen war, son!



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:33 PM

MWO has been a failure from day one as a Mechwarrior product. There was NEVER any hope it would be a good Mechwarrior game, although it may be a good generic robot shooter game... that I can't speak to.

I have been trying to think of a good analogy to explain why this is so, so please bear with me.

Imagine a group of engineers who for unnamed reasons have only ever seen a single car, the Model T ford. (Look this up if you don't know what it is). If you then ask that group of engineers to design a car themselves, it is only natural that they will base it on the Model T. To them Model T = Car. They have no other frame of reference. They will produce an improved Model T.

But then imagine them trying to sell the resulting product in a modern day showroom. It would be hopelessly outdated in virtually every respect. It would be missing features considered vital by every motorist, it would be clunky, inefficient and totally obsolete. As far as the engineering team is considered, they have succeeded, they built a better car than what they previously used as an example. But to the consumers (us) who have wide and varied experience, far beyond what PGI possesses as an organisation, their product is junk. Both views are consistent with the environment in which they are held. PGI did indeed improve the initial product AND their work is terrible when compared to what else is available.

You could say that Mechwarrior4 was sort of that Model T. If PGI looked at MW4 (and we can only assume they did) then in their minds they are building a slightly better MW4. What they don't realise, and can never understand is that the Mechwarrior Community continued to develop Mechwarrior far beyond what it was originally released as. PGI looked at a snapshot of time and were oblivious to the fact that we, the paying customers and audience, had already pushed the game way, way, waaaay beyond where their project goals were going. Their best effort is hugely inferior to what we already had in 2003.

We had functioning leagues both ladder and map based, we had the organisation and training of teams firmly established, we had tactics and a knowledge base of what combat should look like and play like, we knew how balance worked and didn't work... we had everything that PGI is still making excuses for failing at.

And because they were not part of that community, they will never understand just how massively they have failed. They compare themselves to vanilla MW4 and see success, we compare them to what the gaming community built by 03/04 and see MWO as a dismal failure, unable to deliver on what we had come to consider as the minimums for Mechwarrior by the time Mercs had matured.

In short, PGI was always going to fail because they had no idea as to what we expected of them and of what we already knew was possible, because we'd already done it.

#143 Mycrus

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:34 PM

View PostCraig Steele, on 18 April 2014 - 07:10 PM, said:


Y U so mean to Puggies??

I'll paraphrase Roadbeer,

Awwwww Mycrus

Show me on the doll where the nasty Puggy touched you

:(


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#144 Roadbeer

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:37 PM

View PostCraig Steele, on 18 April 2014 - 07:10 PM, said:


Y U so mean to Puggies??

I'll paraphrase Roadbeer,

Awwwww Mycrus

Show me on the doll where the nasty Puggy touched you

:(

1/10 come up with your own material Corky

#145 BLOOD WOLF

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:51 PM

View PostGhost Badger, on 18 April 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:


No, BLOODWOLF. I actually linked the post back to you that explains exactly why you're a hypocrite. What boggles my mind is that you don't even understand how it applies to you when it's laid out simply. I'm done holding your hand and using small words to try and get through to you. I didn't back out...I just can't fix stupid.

you linked me a post of the definition of a hypocrite. You never explained how my post was hypocritcal. Prove me wrong. Or shall i go back. If you guys think i a little kid fine, but im sad that ghost is a grown man and cant even explain an adjective. you like to dance around the point, a clever guy you are.

getting mad doesn't help your case neither.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 April 2014 - 07:54 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:56 PM

View PostGhost Badger, on 18 April 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:


Sure thing. Next time you Google a word, make sure you look at the related words, too. Hypocritical. Hypocrite. Hypocrisy.

When you claim to want people's opinions, and then they GIVE them to you, and then you decide to delete the entire thread and start over because you didn't like the way people were posting...guess what, that makes you a hypocrite.

hy·poc·ri·sy

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    the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.




Yea your right you did break the word hypocrite down. Now we all know what it means, so please tell me how my OP was hypocritical. It's irrelevant if you do or do not admit your folly as the OP still remains the same.

Please do not quote your post of the definition and then quote my post and tell me to add two and two together, because i will just respond that it is not hypocritical. It would be better if you just highlight the key parts.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 April 2014 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:57 PM

View PostRoadbeer, on 18 April 2014 - 07:37 PM, said:

1/10 come up with your own material Corky


Immatation is the highest form of flattery?

Take the compliment with some grace Korky :(

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:02 PM

Why you guys so hurt that i deleted the thread? I said i wont delete this one.

i would also mention only a few people actually did what i asked which i really wish i would have saved, and the few here that at least wrote a paragraph. Nice reads, i always enjoy people who take their time to write one out with detail. some are still lackluster, as they dont really dive into their ideas. I dont mean anything personal, its just a lot of times i read and someone says something but doesnt go into detail. I dont want to point any out. Unless someone want's me to explain what i mean.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 April 2014 - 08:14 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:06 PM

Closed Beta

Joined closed beta for $30 upgraded to $120.
Played with the initial mechs. Enjoyed myself immensely.
Weapons Balance changed every few weeks as they ironed out issues.

At the end of Closed Beta I felt weapons balance was almost perfect. The only weapons I considered not to have a role were the AC2 MG's and flamers. Overall most were optimistic.

Favorite mech when leaving closed beta:Founders cat with 4MPL and 2 streaks.


There were many complaints of organized groups beating the **** out of pugs. Many requested separate match que's. Many requests for tutorials. Community warfare was eagerly anticipated.

Open Beta.

Introduction of Artemis brought another lrm reign.
Introduction of ECM removed Lrms as viable option. Reign of the ECM raven began streak cat disappeared in 1 night and everyone rejoiced.
ECM remains the best 1.5 tons in the game forever despite many proposed fixes.
Introduction of the new fast spider prompted changes to hit registration.
PPC's have new hit registration issues. Projectile speed doubled, heat was lowered.
PPC's registration fixed the adjusted weapon values left as they are. Making it OP.
Highlander released. First JJ Assault mech makes name for itself as a JJ sniper.

3PV/Consumables released most vocal players are unhappy to say the least.
Repair/Rearm costs released. The system used had too many drawbacks and was removed.
Collisions were removed. Mixed feelings on this as it was supposed to be temporary.
Group size limited to 2-4 or 12 man groups. Received mixed reception most thought separate que's would have been better.
24 player games released. To slightly optimistic reaction. Nice but most wanted CW.
After months of jump sniping Meta Ghost released to less than pleased community.
Seismic sensors released to a less than pleased community.

There were many complaints of organized groups beating the **** out of pugs. Many requested separate match que's. Many requests for tutorials. Community warfare was eagerly hoped for.

Favorite mech when leaving open beta:Founders hunch with AC20 and 3 ML.

Release.

Release considered a joke by many players as reflected by meta critic scores. Exaggerated hi and low scores brought about a fair verdict of the game at approx 5/10.

game continues... Friends list of 30 players maybe 1 still active. My interest declines.

Favorite mech BJ with AC20 and 2 ML. Until the AC20 was nurfed.

Free thunderbolt... can't be bothered to win 5 games.

my interest declines....

There are many complaints of organized groups beating the **** out of pugs. Some request separate match que's. A few requests for tutorials. Community warfare is apathetically mused about.

Edited by DarwinsDisciple, 18 April 2014 - 08:14 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:08 PM

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 18 April 2014 - 08:02 PM, said:

Why you guys so hurt that i deleted the thread? I said i wont delete this one.

LOL, if you don't get it by now, I don't think explaining it a 10th time will make a difference.

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:24 PM

View PostRoadbeer, on 18 April 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:


roadbeer, no need to be like that.

"You showed a total lack of respect to the people who took the time to post in your previous thread, by deleting it, because they didn't post the way you wanted them to."

Its because some where intentionally not following the outline i set in the OP. there is a reason why i made this thread in the first place. why does anyone bother making a thread, or setting a topic. Why do you have to be like that. I already apologized and said i wont be doing that again. I can also err, cant be helped from time to time.

Its funny how you make that post but here is the same person who had to be told over and over again why groups couldn't be made how you want them to be put in the game. Over, and Over again the same argument and yet you persisted. It was literally the same information for a few pages of back and forth.At least not until later but you and other gave senseless arguments and poor mathematics to back up an idea that wasn't for anyone else but you and your kin. wasn't that also Roadbeer, and a few others. seems like the forums are not a big place as it is you few who i have problems with.

I also apologized for the delete of the previous thread but they were becoming exactly what i didn't want 8 pages of conversation that have absolutely nothing to do with the OP. Roadbeer, idiotic, post, as if i would not be smart enough to learn from the error. I took the advice of Tesunie, and learned from the previous ventures. The few that did write will get lost in the mixing of casual conversation. I wanted anyone to open the thread and just find no short amount of individuals paragraphs; I wanted players to give a good representation of the game from back in 2010 to present day. Just in one post, but nicely explained and detailed.

Someone said "welcome to the internet". What is that even supposed to mean? that no one here is capable of doing such? do we always need incentive, rewards, or awards to be able to do something. If someone from the the forums messaged me the same question i posed upon the thread, i would have either said yes or no. Yes i will be glad to write that, given the criteria it will take me some time to write but i should be done within a good amount of time. If the answer was no, it should have been; I dont have time to write that, it was a nice thought but not right now.

Why did people have to make it such a sinister thing on my part? i dont really get to talk much in person with any of you. I cant have long conversations with any of you. All i get is the forums and sometimes a good conversation here and there. I all wanted was to make a thread were people can write something grand, and i know we all can do that(except some). I didn't expect to get the the responses i did. I didn't think erasing the thread was a good idea but what else could i have done. I can leave it here and it will turn into something ordinary. Just another casual thread. I must be an idiot for believing something that is obviously was too far tor reach for. I just wanted to see some really excellent creative writing. a bit more than skeleton overviews.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 April 2014 - 09:10 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:56 PM

Nothing to do with sinister sir, but free speech is a thing, and like it or not you can't make people do things.

Now if you just let this thread die and write your "write-up", you might just get a real conversation started.

But truly take a step back a realize how childish this whole thing has been. :(

Edit; The very crux of the issue is you didn't even do what you had outlined. How can you expect anyone else to?

Edited by Amsro, 18 April 2014 - 08:58 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 09:35 PM

View PostAmsro, on 18 April 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

Nothing to do with sinister sir, but free speech is a thing, and like it or not you can't make people do things.

Now if you just let this thread die and write your "write-up", you might just get a real conversation started.

But truly take a step back a realize how childish this whole thing has been. :(

Edit; The very crux of the issue is you didn't even do what you had outlined. How can you expect anyone else to?


I am putting mine together< i Clearly said it would take a few days. I never expected people to answer so quickly after reading the OP.

And no, some people laid personal insults, and compared me to a Korean dictator. I dont know what to call that if not sinister.

I have not acted childish. I cant expect adults to do Creative writing?(some did and i was happy to read their post; I love a good read)

The crux of the issue isn't that i did not do it, because i clearly said that it was going to take me awhile. Not only that i asked people to take their time and elaborate. once again, i expect adults to be able to read a simple post and understand what is written, but i guess i am supposed to understand this is the internet and nobody needs to conduct themselves in a manner that is appropriate. hellcat did make a good point but the first insulting post was ghostbadger. Go ahead and look back, to page 1. tell him the same thing you are telling me. Why just me, others have done worse than I, and all i asked is people to write within an outline. To you that justifies the things said to me or the reactions for wanting something simple. some went out of their way to type insults, I dont know what to call it, you tell me. I have nowhere in my life experienced what i have on these forums.

Awhile ago i presented this same outline at my college. That was years ago, same outline but different questions and basis for writing. I'm not dictating what to write. If you say Close beta was better i want to know about it. I want to hear every detail that made you come to the conclusions you did. I want to know about how you felt at the moment, when looking back. I want to know how it impacted you, and possible others. I want to know the progression of viewpoints from Open beta, to launch, till now. Their is so much writing in between; i know most of you can do it. just take every post you made in this thread and put into one good sized paragraph, and it will be huge. If you cant then i dont see why you feel the need to criticize my want for those who can. I gave a choice, you dont have to write if you feel as if you cant write and elaborate. Regardless, there is no negatives if you cant. We all cant be able writers in all aspects. I just ask those who felt like it and could write within the outline to do so, and as far as they could. I now can say that erasing the threads was a bad call, but what i should have done was save the ones that were voluntary enough to do so. to them i did an injustice. To them i wronged them and i appreciated what they wrote. Even if they didn't elaborate they did put forth effort. Which i can take no points away from them. I do wish i can erase these irrelevant post and let those who want get back to it. I guess it doesn't need to follow the outline to the fullest.


One thing i heard was ghost heat was bull but no elaboration. Just complaint and that's it. I understand that people dont have to explain themselves but i made this thread for a reason. I just wanted something more in depth, deeper, and if this game to is simple i respect that. I just dont think it needs to be said here. This was made for the expressing of long thoughts. Its like if i make a thread named "Tell me about the timber Wolf" and somebody starts talking about the nova cat, then everybody starts talking about the nova cat. Then an argument happens, then someone starts talking about another irrelevance. what happened to talking about the topic? that is fine, i get that., I'm sure people always get on topic again but that is not what i envisioned for this thread and i thought i could make it reality. I didn't want 4 pages of unrelated content and eventually people dont even bother reading the OP; Then go off of the post they happen to see and where does it go? I just wanted paragraph after paragraph of good writing. And for people to open the thread and see what people have written without interruptions. Not possible i think now. I wanted someone to look to a well structured and well thought paragraph and see inspiration to write something similar, if not better.

Like i said i just started writing my own topic introduction, open beta was a while back so i gotta recap It is gonna take me awhile. Some might be done before me which they clearly were. I was hoping in the meantime i could read what others have wrote as well as be free from the nicks of casual conversation because i know these things tend to sidetrack threads. Also i noticed that it is the same players who i constantly have these problems with, I apologized for any injury dealt but i ask if you treat me for the words i speak and not how you feel about me. meaning if you felt angered by my in another thread that shouldn't affect your opinion of me in this thread. A good example is ghost badger, i have got into it with him before and i dont know what his deal is with me or why he tries this intelligence game. Or maybe he's not i dont know but like i said it's the same people who i get into it with. Keep in mind i took a break for a bit so it might seem I'm starting from October(2013)it's just that 2012 i didn't play as much because i only wanted to play with my bro at the time, and he wasn't on as much. I was on and off but i did experience a lot. I didn't hit September, the month before the launch much either.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 April 2014 - 10:15 PM.


#154 AlmightyAeng

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 09:39 PM

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 18 April 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:




Yea your right you did break the word hypocrite down. Now we all know what it means, so please tell me how my OP was hypocritical. It's irrelevant if you do or do not admit your folly as the OP still remains the same.

Please do not quote your post of the definition and then quote my post and tell me to add two and two together, because i will just respond that it is not hypocritical. It would be better if you just highlight the key parts.


Sigh. The part in bold, you blind fool. It's like explaining things to a small child.

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Sure thing. Next time you Google a word, make sure you look at the related words, too. Hypocritical. Hypocrite. Hypocrisy.

When you claim to want people's opinions, and then they GIVE them to you, and then you decide to delete the entire thread and start over because you didn't like the way people were posting...guess what, that makes you a hypocrite.

hy·poc·ri·sy

hiˈpäkrisē/

noun
  • 1.
    the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.


#155 BLOOD WOLF

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 10:21 PM

Its getting late, and my eyes are not the best pair they can be. sorry if i missed your point; Which i might add your not bothering to restate.

When you claim to want people's opinions, and then they GIVE them to you, and then you decide to delete the entire thread and start over because you didn't like the way people were posting...guess what, that makes you a hypocrite."Gost badger"-----That is not being hypocritical, i wanted people to follow the outline; they didn't so i thought i would restart and restate. Didn't mean any harm and i wasn't mad or anything. A fact about me is i stay objective at all times, no matter the words used. the words i use are used in a matter only by definition.

I never said i wasnt going to delete the thread. If i sated in my OP that i wasn't going to delete the thread and then i delete the thread; Then i would be hypocritcal.-"Blood Wolf"

Once again, i never stated that i was not going to delete the topic. I did state that i wouldn't do that again in this topic. Are you okay man? you seem to be bothered by something i said.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 April 2014 - 10:25 PM.


#156 BLOOD WOLF

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 10:29 PM

take the word stupid. It has such a negative tone becuase feeling is attached to it; However when i use it, i do so by definition. Someone who seems to be lacking common sense. Oh Thomas Payne, what have you done?

“A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.”
Thomas Paine, Common Sense

Pick up the book and read it sometime if anybody gets the chance, it is a good read.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 April 2014 - 10:32 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 10:36 PM

View PostDarwinsDisciple, on 18 April 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

Closed Beta

Joined closed beta for $30 upgraded to $120.
Played with the initial mechs. Enjoyed myself immensely.
Weapons Balance changed every few weeks as they ironed out issues.

At the end of Closed Beta I felt weapons balance was almost perfect. The only weapons I considered not to have a role were the AC2 MG's and flamers. Overall most were optimistic.

Favorite mech when leaving closed beta:Founders cat with 4MPL and 2 streaks.


There were many complaints of organized groups beating the **** out of pugs. Many requested separate match que's. Many requests for tutorials. Community warfare was eagerly anticipated.

Open Beta.

Introduction of Artemis brought another lrm reign.
Introduction of ECM removed Lrms as viable option. Reign of the ECM raven began streak cat disappeared in 1 night and everyone rejoiced.
ECM remains the best 1.5 tons in the game forever despite many proposed fixes.
Introduction of the new fast spider prompted changes to hit registration.
PPC's have new hit registration issues. Projectile speed doubled, heat was lowered.
PPC's registration fixed the adjusted weapon values left as they are. Making it OP.
Highlander released. First JJ Assault mech makes name for itself as a JJ sniper.

3PV/Consumables released most vocal players are unhappy to say the least.
Repair/Rearm costs released. The system used had too many drawbacks and was removed.
Collisions were removed. Mixed feelings on this as it was supposed to be temporary.
Group size limited to 2-4 or 12 man groups. Received mixed reception most thought separate que's would have been better.
24 player games released. To slightly optimistic reaction. Nice but most wanted CW.
After months of jump sniping Meta Ghost released to less than pleased community.
Seismic sensors released to a less than pleased community.

There were many complaints of organized groups beating the **** out of pugs. Many requested separate match que's. Many requests for tutorials. Community warfare was eagerly hoped for.

Favorite mech when leaving open beta:Founders hunch with AC20 and 3 ML.

Release.

Release considered a joke by many players as reflected by meta critic scores. Exaggerated hi and low scores brought about a fair verdict of the game at approx 5/10.

game continues... Friends list of 30 players maybe 1 still active. My interest declines.

Favorite mech BJ with AC20 and 2 ML. Until the AC20 was nurfed.

Free thunderbolt... can't be bothered to win 5 games.

my interest declines....

There are many complaints of organized groups beating the **** out of pugs. Some request separate match que's. A few requests for tutorials. Community warfare is apathetically mused about.

You will want to save that somewhere incase BLOOD WOLF deletes it. Mechwarrior Online is Best Mechwarrior all hail the supreme leader BLOOD WOLF.

Edited by SLDF DeathlyEyes, 18 April 2014 - 10:42 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 10:42 PM

i'm gonna leave that alone. implying that i didn't know how to read. Another insult but i will look lightly. I do apply it to my everyday situations. I already said i'm not erasing it.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 April 2014 - 10:44 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 11:25 PM

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 18 April 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

i'm gonna leave that alone. implying that i didn't know how to read. Another insult but i will look lightly. I do apply it to my everyday situations. I already said i'm not erasing it.

You ruined a lot of people's hard work with your censorship. People took time to write those responses. They put some thought and effort into them. You essentially deleted their work. When you delete someone's work it really aggravates them. It's asinine to expect people to forgive you especially when you continue to defend your actions without actually taking any time to write a thoughtful apology. It is completely ridiculous that you didn't expect any backlash. It's like throwing a rock at a bee hive and not expecting hundreds of bees to come out and attack you just because you are telling the bees that you had every right to throw a rock at their hive.

Edited by SLDF DeathlyEyes, 18 April 2014 - 11:26 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 11:31 PM

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 18 April 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

i'm gonna leave that alone. implying that i didn't know how to read. Another insult but i will look lightly. I do apply it to my everyday situations. I already said i'm not erasing it.


Thing is, you already did it once. Who's to say you wont do it again? (Looking it at their point of view.)

It's like, as soon as I catch someone in a lie, I stop trusting them completely. The trust I gave so freely at first disappears, and that trust needs to be built back up.

So far, I've seen 8 pages of:
- Epeen (the reason I stopped following the thread for a while.)
- People making points as to you deleting a thread.
- You remarking that your OP is not hard to understand (and have said that it should be easy).
- I've seen nothing in the OP that can actually keep a thread going. The only think I've seen making this thread move has been the people coming in complaining about the way you handled the last thread.
- You still haven't been handling anyone who is "off topic" in any correct manner.

Now, I wasn't involved in the last thread, so I'd like to say that there is no reason to disrespect you. I personally have no reason to. However, from what I'm hearing from the other people here, there apparently was plenty of hurt feelings caused by you, and you seem to do little to ease those hurt feelings. Instead, you seem to invite the continued rounds of 'attacks' by your continued behavior (and I might also add, their continued behavior, which also keeps it going).

From what I can see, it almost looks like you've asked for a lot of the responses that have been added into this thread. You seem to also fail to grasp the concept of open forum based threads/topics. This isn't a school assignment, or a report one has to fill at work with data. It's a forum. Some 'analytical report' can happen, but having a whole thread dedicated to it will not last long. I've already mentioned that a thread normally needs to have some topic of discussion.

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 17 April 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

I want players to give a good representation of the game from back in 2010 to present day. Just in one post. no need to go back and forwth. This is just for people to express their Over-view of MWO. Once post per person please and Keep it constructive and, Objective. Remember you get one post. Let others read into your thoughts, and your views. Give us something to read over and take note of. I will be making my summary the Progress and state of the game is i know it. As a matter of fact Create a summary. Give valid points and cover everything. Start from point A,B,C,D and dont miss anything. Respect my wishes and dont turn this into a medium to cuase a stir. I would encourage you not to respond to any post. These are to be player summaries of their Whole state of the game. I now know you all have a lot to share. Respect the post and if you dont wish then dont answer. Remember, no rush; Take your time and write it out clearly. Thank you.

Please, i dont want what became of it the last time, the first step is to read, the second is to evulate, and the third is to write.


The problems I already see in the OP:
- You want no discussion. Everything you say you want placed into one post. (Arbitrary rule that is designed to kill conversation.)
- You have a very broad and generalized subject topic. (Describe the game from when you joined to present day, and the whole ride along the way.)
- A one post limits stops any conversation, leaving this as a data thread. Data threads of this nature will not be viewed often, which means not many people will post. (Kills conversation.)
- You ask for opinion. You will get opinion. Not all of it will be agreeable, or polite, or objective or even constructive. (Another hard rule you've placed. Not to mention, who's rule of objective and constructive are we using here?)
- By asking not to "cause a stir", you are going to "cause a stir". A lot of what you are asking for (as general as it is, and vague) is going to be opinion based, which is always going to stir things up. (It's like talking religion or politics.)
- Once more, you ask to kill all conversation, making this into what would turn out into a very boring thread.
- You tell people to take their time and write it out clearly. Those who already know about the previous thread will not do so, as they don't wish to waste time into something that may likely be deleted again.
- Those from the last thread, if they see this, will warn others not to post as it is likely to not be received and/or out right deleted. (Can you really blame them?)
- Then, your last "rule" basically tells people that they are stupid and are doing it wrong. You "tell them how to do it", like they can't figure it out on their own.
- As a final point, you neglect to do the very action you are asking from others. Presenting your own opinion and observations would provide people with an example to base their own responses off of. It also will provoke conversation to get the thread started, as you might mention an event and how it effected you, and they will chime in with that same even... as I stated before.

Your own OP is flawed as far as creating a healthy thread to start with. Then it's filled with arbitrary rules one "must" follow. To top it all off, you wish for people to provide an answer to a broad, generalize, unfocused question. It's like asking someone how the universe works, but summarize it for me. Or ask them to write up a report about their entire life, summarize, but leave no detail out. (Your own "report" would help to direct these thoughts and bring some focus to your question.) The final flaw I see is the "wall'o'text" problem with a topic such as this. Most people might read the first post, maybe the second. But after that, interest will be lost in an all report thread as you request. They will decide that their opinion is not needed (as someone else already said it), or make a post, not reading anything else, and leave to never look back...


Instead of an in depth analysis of MWO, I guess I shall provide you with my analysis of your thread concept and idea... and your apparent lack of understanding of how a forum system works, and how a thread on an open forum typically runs. (I am by no means saying you can't get the information you request, but you are basically doing it the wrong/hard way. You set yourself up for a thread that will not expand and will get few real responses. Your question and desire are alright. Your presentation and method of going about trying to get the results are not effective.)

(PS: Some of the people "hounding" you here I know from other areas of the forum. They normally only treat people as I've been seeing in here if they have very good reason. So far, as far as I can tell, they seem to be well justified in their actions. Even if it isn't exactly proper, or even nice.)





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