128 replies to this topic

[Alaskan Nobody]

OriginalTibs, on 21 April 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

The only game element that your contention has a leg to stand on is in terms of consumables, like airstrike and arty.

And even that is completely shot to pieces when you realize that with a little time put into the game you can get the exact same thing for free.


Obvious troll is obvious, people, lets stop feeding the troll and let him die.

[focuspark]

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

Gosh wont you ever stop? This has been explained in the first replies already and I didn't agree. Take a look at PoE for instance, I beg you, THAT is free to play. You pay for benefit, being it time or power doesnt matter. Your examples are just the worst forms of P2W like facebook games where you have to buy stuff at some point to get further. That doesn't mean that skipping the grind to get stuff is'nt paying for a benefit in game.

You don't need to agree, and you're still wrong. Simply put you have the meaning of Pay2Win incorrect. Find another term or whatever, but stop spreading FUD. We get it, you don't like the game - move on.

I've not played Path of Exile, but it looks like they only sell cosmetics - that's stupid and why player likes me (who have more money than time to play) can't be bothered with it. With MW:O I can skip the grind and get to the meat with a small expenditure of money; and it benefits the developers helping to keep the game going for everyone. How is this not a win-win-win scenario?

Those without money to spend on the game get a FREE game, are not excluded from anything, and keep the servers populated. Those with money to spend on the game have the option of grinding or not.

Edited by focuspark, 21 April 2014 - 10:52 AM.

[maniacos]

focuspark, on 21 April 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

You're mostly spreading FUD here.

Lol no, fanboy.

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BattleTech in general was left to die years ago. Microsoft owned the license to software games using the name "MechWarrior" along with the BattleTech IP required to do so. At no point has anyone ever claimed that Microsoft refused to license the MechWarrior franchise to them. They may have said Microsoft wanted too much money for said franchise,

What the **** is your problem, are you dense? Or do you have to turn my words just to argue against them?
I said Microsoft refused, that doesn't exclude, that another price they maybe would have agreed on, not? I mean, this would be only logical and common sense that a company like Microsoft agrees as soon as there was enough money that I didnt expect was needed to mention because its fricking LOGICAL

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but if you think the cost of the license is what drives the developers of MechWarrior Online to seek revenue then you are clueless. MWO devs need revenue to do things like eat, put a roof over their heads, buy clothing, you know all that fun stuff that comes with HAVING A PAYCHECK.

Previous MechWarrior titles were pay to own, MW:O is FREE. Therefore a revenue model is needed to pay for development (see the paycheck comment above). If you don't like it, there's the door - otherwise wake up and realize a good thing when it is given to you for FREE.

Dude, I never said ANYTHING against devs making money with their product. Read my ******* posts again especially where I wrote that I pay when I like the product, even if it gives me NO ******* BENEFIT IN GAME.

Fut, on 21 April 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Seriously just making yourself look foolish now.
"But I already told you, I don't agree that 2+2 = 4!! Blarg!"

I totally did not write that and you know it.

[Fut]

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

I totally did not write that and you know it.

Obviously you didn't, and I didn't intend to make it seem like you had - otherwise I would have put it in a quote box with your name on it. You are, however, saying things that are just as ridiculous.

[maniacos]

focuspark, on 21 April 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

You don't need to agree, and you're still wrong. Simply put you have the meaning of Pay2Win incorrect. Find another term or whatever, but stop spreading FUD. We get it, you don't like the game - move on.

I've not played Path of Exile, but it looks like they only sell cosmetics - that's stupid and why player likes me (who have more money than time to play) can't be bothered with it. With MW:O I can skip the grind and get to the meat with a small expenditure of money; and it benefits the developers helping to keep the game going for everyone. How is this not a win-win-win scenario?

Those without money to spend on the game get a FREE game, are not excluded from anything, and keep the servers populated. Those with money to spend on the game have the option of grinding or not.

Yes they sell only cosmetics. Why? Because they don't want that anyone gets any useful benefit for real world money, but want tot keep it purely free to play. And the game is still fluid enough, that you can manage the story line without spending too much time in it. I have a 8/5 job and I played it through two times.

[Fut]

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Yes they sell only cosmetics. Why? Because they don't want that anyone gets any useful benefit for real world money, but want tot keep it purely free to play. And the game is still fluid enough, that you can manage the story line without spending too much time in it. I have a 8/5 job and I played it through two times.

Seems like you have ample free time on your hands. You shouldn't have an issue with grinding to obtaining the uber-elite gear that $$$ can buy you in this game.

See, that's how you know that MWO isn't P2W - you can keep all of your hard-earned cash in your wallet, and still get everything the game has to offer.

[Rhaythe]

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Yes they sell only cosmetics. Why? Because they don't want that anyone gets any useful benefit for real world money, but want tot keep it purely free to play. And the game is still fluid enough, that you can manage the story line without spending too much time in it. I have a 8/5 job and I played it through two times.

You would not have an argument on your hands if you were using proper terms. If you called the people that purchased premium time "lazy" instead of accusing them of being pay-to-win, you might have a case. Instead, you are trying to redefine "pay-to-win" to meet your own purposes. That is where you are wrong. There is an industry standard for "selling" free-to-play services, and this game, so far, has followed it to the letter.
Maybe you don't agree with how this game markets itself. That doesn't make it wrong, nor your definitions of a black-mark term correct.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

Its just too funy that people doge the points to prove their own fanboy opinion. I also gave you an example of a game that ist NOT pay to win. I wont repeat myself.

PS: I never wrote anything against an ingame currency. Jesus
PS2: And MW4 was shit too.

At this point, you're just trolling. Please, as a favor, just stop.

[Harathan]

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Edit: The problem here is probably more that I am discussing with fanboys. Reading comments on youtube forinstance draws a total different picture.

Sure, right. We're ALL fanboys, you're the only rational person on the whole forum. Nay, the whole internet! For you the world is clear and simple, and we are but deluded fools!

Grow up.

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

pay to win

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Edited by Harathan, 21 April 2014 - 11:18 AM.

[maniacos]

Fut, on 21 April 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

Seems like you have ample free time on your hands. You shouldn't have an issue with grinding to obtaining the uber-elite gear that $$$ can buy you in this game.

See, that's how you know that MWO isn't P2W - you can keep all of your hard-earned cash in your wallet, and still get everything the game has to offer.

>implying
I wrote the game is fluid enough that you can play thru it with out TOO MUCH FREE TIME. I was able to play itbeside my job beside my normal life, friends, hobbies, interests.

Rhaythe, on 21 April 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:

You would not have an argument on your hands if you were using proper terms. If you called the people that purchased premium time "lazy" instead of accusing them of being pay-to-win, you might have a case. Instead, you are trying to redefine "pay-to-win" to meet your own purposes. That is where you are wrong. There is an industry standard for "selling" free-to-play services, and this game, so far, has followed it to the letter.
Maybe you don't agree with how this game markets itself. That doesn't make it wrong, nor your definitions of a black-mark term correct.

also
http://mwomercs.com/...59#entry3311059

Harathan, on 21 April 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

Sure, right. We're ALL fanboys, you're the only rational person on the whole forum. Nay, the whole internet! For you the world is clear and simple, and we are but deluded fools!

Grow up.

I no where wrote that.

TheRAbbi, on 21 April 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

At this point, you're just trolling. Please, as a favor, just stop.

where exactly?

[Rhaythe]

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...59#entry3311059

You can "not agree" all you like. Doesn't make you less wrong.

[Fut]

Well, this has been entertaining and all, but it's starting to get tiresome.
There's no way that a normal person could be as dense as this Jherej dude, it's got to be a Troll Job.

Shar Wolf, on 21 April 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Obvious troll is obvious, people, lets stop feeding the troll and let him die.

Great advice.

[Harathan]

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

I no where wrote that.

Actually you specifically accused us all of being fanboys earlier in the thread, followed by calling individuals out specifically. Must I go back and quote every instance?

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

The problem here is probably more that I am discussing with fanboys.

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

Lol no, fanboy.

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

Its just too funy that people doge the points to prove their own fanboy opinion.

Here's the thing Jherej. When 30 other people are telling you to reconsider your position and you refuse to budge an inch the problem is not the other people.

Edited by Harathan, 21 April 2014 - 11:29 AM.

[ThatBum42]

Inb4 K-Town.

Seriously, what do these people get out of trolling us? I think that they're haters from other games trying to disrupt our community. Well bud, your plan backfired. All you've accomplished in doing is uniting us together to ridicule you.

[maniacos]

Harathan, on 21 April 2014 - 11:22 AM, said:

Here's the thing Jherej. When 30 other people are telling you to reconsider your position and you refuse to budge an inch the problem is not the other people.

It is the same term people use on other forums of games, where you can buy weapons with ingame-coins that you can puchase for real money or grind in the dungeon. Always people complain about p2w then, not only here.

ThatBum42, on 21 April 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

Seriously, what do these people get out of trolling us? I think that they're haters from other games trying to disrupt our community.

[Rhaythe]

Jherej, on 21 April 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

It is the same term people use on other forums of games, where you can buy weapons with ingame-coins that you can puchase for real money or grind in the dungeon. Always people complain about p2w then, not only here.

In respect for your complete and utter lack of sense, I present you this fluffy bunny.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Rhaythe, on 21 April 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Very cute, I like

[Just wanna play]

TheRAbbi, on 18 April 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Really? What stuff is that?

No, seriously, I want to know what one can buy with MC, but not with C-Bills, that one needs to win.

Or, more to the point, this is a call-out. I'm calling you out on this.

There is no mech in this game called 'Stuff'. No weapon called 'stuff'. No module called 'stuff'. There is no STUFF XL engine, no Double Stuff Sinks, no MC-only Stuff Cannons or 20-tube heat-seeking stuff missiles.

So, what STUFF can only be had for MC or cash and is needed in order to win?

wellll there ARE premium modules that get the effect of the module + plus an upgrade but still only take up 1 slot....PAY TO WIN!!!

[Flaming oblivion]

I used to think this game was p2w when I was new it isn't not nearly as bad as some games anyway.

The only arguments for the game being p2w are the fact you can get things faster exploit op items faster before they get nerfed, But your pushing the boundary with this argument.

However a argument for p2w that has more validity is the fact that with MC you can convert xp into gxp now gxp isn't easy to come by and some of those modules give a massive advantage as I found out when I started
equipping them.

Do I think the game has p2w aspects? Yes

Are they as bad as the many games that have died through p2w? No

For all the major faults I've come across with this game p2w isn't one.

[Skye Storm]

Dear lord, I'm only on page three and laughing my ass right off.

Nothing in this game at all is p2w.

If you have trouble with your team take command and position lances where you see best fit.

Quit building a one range or style build, don't bring a catapult with only lrms, don't bring an atlas with mgs or a jager with only autocannons.