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[depreciator]

i checked all the assault because i spared enought for raise up & since im not a fan of energy weapon i buyed before the :
catapult K2
and the :
catharact 4x
(surprised than the engine limit was so low only on this version)
just because there ability to use
dual ac20 for the first
and
quad ac5 or dual ac10 for the second
but quickly i get aware they are too much light weight for this combination and a step level lower
im shocked than version of light mechs get more ballistic slot when this tottally useless or just as a trick for make critical finishement
not only there is a major problem with near all the weapons( range weight slots heat cooldown )
but it the same with mechs too
why so few get ecm
why some specific version can affoard only a 255engine when all the others a 310 ?
why just not all the mech are free to equip as we want ?
i understand there are model3D limits but the minimal is to make ballistic at the same level than missile & energy in terms of heavy mech versions

logic isnot the problem :
if you ever played a game of mwo you had obivously seen a bunch of dual ppc & quad green & dual blue lazer but what your chance to watch someone using single of the pulse or light lazer or ac20 or gauss ?
its just revelant of how much this weapon are balanced

just check if you found a single player that DONT equip only one of the following = medium/large ERlarge lazer , ppc/erpp

than try to found a player that equip one of the following :gauss ,ac20 ,lbxac10 ,pulse ,light lazer

ok both exist as it exist people equiping a cicada with a engine 100 & gauss(i did it only one game)

but who ever you seen using dual gauss or dual ac20 ? (ok i seen a time on maybe 300players)
quad ac10 ? not possible
quad ppc ? possible

[DEMAX51]

Edited by DEMAX51, 25 April 2014 - 11:58 AM.

[JackVII]

1: balance
2: use http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab before buying mech for a specific build
bonus round
3: lore

[Jetfire]

They need to do way instain LAZER who kill they Cataphracts.

[Kinski Orlawisch]

Dual Gauss or dual ac 20 are common sight for me. Jagermechs or Catapults wear them.

According to the lore. Check the King Crab or the Annhilator.

We will see what the Daishi will carry. But the Behemoth had dual Gausss to. So why not equip a Daishi with it?

[depreciator]

JackVII, on 25 April 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

1: balance
2: use http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab before buying mech for a specific build
bonus round
3: lore

1.you suggesting than ac20 is baddly balanced and if any assault mech allowed to wear a ac20 on right arm and another o left arm there will be the winning configuration over all the erlarge lazer or erlarge ppc that is far the most common dual arm possibility in mwo ?
2.there is not at all any variant of any model of ASSAULT mech that allow to wear a ballistic on each arm

3.yes ? mean tabletop ? something related to MW4 3 2 1 that i all tested and not exactlly at the same level than MWO ?

Marc von der Heide, on 25 April 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

Dual Gauss or dual ac 20 are common sight for me. Jagermechs or Catapults wear them.

According to the lore. Check the King Crab or the Annhilator.

We will see what the Daishi will carry. But the Behemoth had dual Gausss to. So why not equip a Daishi with it?

ok the tabletop say blahblah
but still the game MWO actually exist :
than is someone can expic why devs made than energy rule all and ballistic an option not for noobs ?
if i remind acuratlly in MW3 the ballistic weapon was not all as ...gauss
and the big artillery canon get a huge falldown that needed skill to hit a far target and not the ground 300m before

that all the point to call it ballistic :
in mwo all the weapon got 100% accuracy and i wonder how the lbxac10 spraid the same size at 1000m than at 100m (in fact i know its not a physical conic spraid but a cylinder what mean the barrel dialmeter is something as 30m diameter or be some multibarrel separated by 30m)

there is no point to follow inacuratelly some tabletop that themself dont respect the basic physic rules

Edited by depreciator, 25 April 2014 - 01:02 PM.

[DEMAX51]

depreciator, on 25 April 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

there is not at all any variant of any model of heavy mech that allow to wear a ballistic on each arm

It's called the Jaeger-DD, and it has multiple ballistic hardpoints on each arm, and can do dual AC20s.

I don't really understand what you're so upset about, man. ACs are not only the best performing weapons in the game, they are pretty much the most common too.

[depreciator]

DEMAX51, on 25 April 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

It's called the Jaeger-DD, and it has multiple ballistic hardpoints on each arm, and can do dual AC20s.

I don't really understand what you're so upset about, man. ACs are not only the best performing weapons in the game, they are pretty much the most common too.

first of all the jagger and the catapult dont have arms that horizontally move
secondly the toppic was:
NO ASSAULT MECH CAN EQUIP AC20 ON BOTH ARMS

sry you quoted an error i made in my reply
so im upset about the energy who is basically 100% accurate and instant hit and decrease with range when the ballistic is meant to be slow inaccurate and give fixed amount of damage
(gauss and ppc are diferent but that meant to be sniper weapons)
no mention to the medium range missiles

[DEMAX51]

No Assault Mech can take dual AC20s, because that would be incredibly overpowered.

The reason the Heavies that can run dual AC20s don't have lateral arm movement is because that would be incredibly overpowered.

Laser weapons may be instant hit, but they don't have 100% accuracy unless you're able to keep the beam on target for the laser's entire duration, because laser damage is applied over time, not front-loaded.

Medium Range Missiles aren't yet in game, because they're loosely following the Battletech timeline (the current year in-game is 3051) and MRMs don't get released until like 3058.

I still don't think I fully understand what you're saying. Are you implying that Laser weapons are overpowered? Because they most definitely are not.

Edited by DEMAX51, 25 April 2014 - 01:33 PM.

[depreciator]

DEMAX51, on 25 April 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

No Assault Mech can take dual AC20s, because that would be incredibly overpowered.

The reason the Heavies that can run dual AC20s don't have lateral arm movement is because that would be incredibly overpowered.

Laser weapons may be instant hit, but they don't have 100% accuracy unless you're able to keep the beam on target for the laser's entire duration, because laser damage is applied over time, not front-loaded.

Medium Range Missiles aren't yet in game, because they're loosely following the Battletech timeline (the current year in-game is 3051) and MRMs don't get released until like 3058.

I still don't think I fully understand what you're saying. Are you implying that Laser weapons are overpowered? Because they most definitely are not.

ok let alone the lazer because the beamtime : still the erppc have no limition as ammo minimal range or beamtime : agreed?
than now i check the calculatio tool for know if the heavy mech having an erppc or more on each arm is over powered....
[smurfy]http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b4a3b3794bc9f7e[/smurfy]
i made the same amount of damage than a dual ac20 can do but as advantage is triple range and unlimited ammo as reward a cooldow of 18% when the same config with ac20 give 33% (if you say to me i can fill more heatshrink then i ask you how much unlimited ammo you want? )
but you seem very bad fate because all weapon get a handicap when its not heat its range or beamtime surpisingly some weapon got multi handicap as pulse lazer or ballistic
why people are all using large lazer and erppc ? because they got the less of handicap that make them more overpowered than evrything else
the first overpower of all is the range than ac20 dont own(but i agree that ac2 ac5 are largely more ops)
because the year 23568 ???
wait the missile have a range of more than 150m since 1943 isnt?
they invented the long range and the short but not the medium???
its a joke isnt?
since that tabletop isnot respected in whole why are you focusing on some details?
is ballistic have not fall curve in tabletop?
is nothing was invented between HMG and ac2 before next year?
wait autocanon existed in 1924 isnt? some large some tight some huge some tiny evrything was invented as the nuklear device isnt ?
is the tabletop say something about mech engine explosion area too ?
is the flamers are overpowered too ?
is the lightmech have ballistic or just crit taker?
is medium lazer on light mech are a threat of same level than missile and ballisitic by this class of mecha?
what i mean : its not overpowered than any class use dual arms weaponery of their respective level with a single handicap(that can be reload time or engine reduction due to weight or range or ammo but not all in a time)
ac20 make heat a lot have a medium range +slow reload time + ammo limit + impressive weight and now you add a arms limitation ?!?

and worst again is gauss than replace the limited range by a delayed shoot...but erppc have just heat and weight as limitation else its the better weapon for all the rest as the medium lazer is the best weapon for all the class is exist something comperable in ballistic ?
1slot 1ton medium range 5dmg ? with just heat as restriction that doesnt matter a lot if you equip a ...ERPPC too or twice and why not an erlazer with that ?
just dont shoot all them in same timer !
dont say me its fait with ballistic !
2*ac2 for shooting light speeders and 2* ac20 for heavy ?
the catapult missile trial is in test for free with 4*streak and 2* LRM15: is overpowered?
not because streak are worthless
but the 5win free mech is energy friendly and equiped by ppc + 4medium lazer and this poor catapult is a easy victim

Edited by depreciator, 25 April 2014 - 02:27 PM.

[Moonraven83]

1. Dont mix fantasy (MWO) with reality
2. the Build you posted sucks in more than one way
3. troll harder

[_____]

WHAT IS GOING ON???

[DEMAX51]

Dude, I have no idea what you're ranting about. But if you're comparing that smurfy build you linked to a dual AC20 'Mech, I don't think you have a very good grasp of this game's mechanics.

Edited by DEMAX51, 25 April 2014 - 03:56 PM.

[Tesunie]

As of current, none of the Assault class mechs can carry dual AC20s, yet. All these variants in the game are based on their lore equivalent, which is more than just TT game mechanics. They can only take, basically, what their lore equivalent typically could take based off their original stock loadout.

There are mechs that are assault class that can (or did) have dual AC20s. The King Crab is one such example. A lot of mechs are still waiting to get into the game. (You might want to look at the Dashi when it gets here. It probably will be the first assault mech from the looks of it to be able to take dual AC20s. Forget Dual AC20... make that Dual Clan Ultra AC20 in possibly fully mobile arms...)

[Impyrium]

Trying to read his posts is the equivalent of smashing your face against a brick wall.

He's comparing dual AC20s to dual PPCs, so I'm not sure he really knows what he's saying...

[Tesunie]

AUSwarrior24, on 25 April 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Trying to read his posts is the equivalent of smashing your face against a brick wall.

He's comparing dual AC20s to dual PPCs, so I'm not sure he really knows what he's saying...

If you mean "try reading his post of text that shifts like ocean waves of sand dunes in size which only confuses the point even farther" then yes. Smashing your face into his brick wall of text is also an adequate description as well... (I hate it when my vocabulary out does my spelling skills...)

Edited by Tesunie, 25 April 2014 - 05:06 PM.

[101011]

I try to make an effort to read the posts, but...this is a whole new level of un-readability.

[Tesunie]

101011, on 25 April 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

I try to make an effort to read the posts, but...this is a whole new level of un-readability.

Watch it! I swear... the letters and words... they move! I'm scared mommy! I want to go home now!

If he kept it all the same size font, it would be much more legible. Just keep decent paragraph spacing and it would be good and easy. (I also think English is not his native language.) It's like he thinks that the larger text will make us more inclined to read it... Instead it makes up more inclined to try and read it and have more problems with it...

[Kenyon Burguess]

this forum post could only be funnier with more font.

[Impyrium]

What, you² mean like this?

MADNESS!