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[Seigaku]

Stop releasing stupid colors and mechs and start doing new maps.

More important than maps are the bugs and bad performance the game has, but if you didn't fix this yet, it won't get fixed i guess.

But for the god's sake, is not that hard to make a map, and if you don't have ideas, then release an event to ask people to send you ideas for maps, or even drawings of maps.

It's getting very boring always the same damn maps.

[Green Mamba]

I believe a Year or So ago people were trying to get them to let the community help them with maps and It didn't go anywhere.I don't know why, as MW4 had some Community made maps that rivaled the Maps that came with the Retail game

[Livebait]

Drawings of maps! LOL I like that. Thats funny. Well to be fair, it really is hard taking existing maps and adding more trees and expanding the borders. Oh and and adding hills...and rocks.

[Roland]

Idle crow actually replicated at least one of the old mechwarrior 4 maps in the new cry engine. I think he recreated lunacy.

[Impyrium]

With all due respect, do you guys really know that much about game development?

To build new maps, developers and designers have to dedicate a large amount of time towards designing the maps, which is important for a relatively tactical game, and creating it, which is no easy feat due to the amount of little (unnecessary imo) details on each.

'Expanding the maps' indeed. What they need to spend time on is the damn core features of the game, like the Clans, and something other than this god forsaken deathmatch gameplay.

[Seigaku]

Livebait, on 25 April 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

Drawings of maps! LOL I like that. Thats funny. Well to be fair, it really is hard taking existing maps and adding more trees and expanding the borders. Oh and and adding hills...and rocks.

Actually, its a simple idea, since they didn't ask for "people we are going to do a contest, send us maps made on Cryengine" which for me is the most logic idea, they can review the maps and tweak them to make them balanced and done.

[MischiefSC]

In my business, if a customer started a conversation with that sort of tone, regardless of the validity of their comment or request, I'd utterly ignore it. More to the point I would rather fail as a business and die poor then ever, even once, for one moment, reward that sort of demanding entitlement behavior.

It's worth saying that new maps would be great. That we really want some even. Doing so by sounding like a demanding, entitled brat makes me hope that we never get another map again ever. I'd be disappointed in PGI and what they are teaching the human race if they were to release a map in response to someone speaking to them like this.

So, my comment is, please PGI. I beg of you. Don't release any new maps for a couple of months. Just because giving anyone even an erroneous assumption that speaking to anyone, ever, about anything, in this manner results in a positive outcome. Do the human race a favor.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Seigaku, on 25 April 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

Stop releasing stupid colors and mechs and start doing new maps.

More important than maps are the bugs and bad performance the game has, but if you didn't fix this yet, it won't get fixed i guess.

But for the god's sake, is not that hard to make a map, and if you don't have ideas, then release an event to ask people to send you ideas for maps, or even drawings of maps.

It's getting very boring always the same damn maps.

The art team is separate from the engineering folks. Those two teams usually have little overlap.

I'm pretty happy with the pace new mechs/maps/camo/etc. comes out. Sure I want more faster but not everyday can be Christmas.

I don't think accepting community created maps would be bad so long as there is some kind of quality control process.

[cSand]

MischiefSC, on 25 April 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

In my business, if a customer started a conversation with that sort of tone, regardless of the validity of their comment or request, I'd utterly ignore it. More to the point I would rather fail as a business and die poor then ever, even once, for one moment, reward that sort of demanding entitlement behavior.

It's worth saying that new maps would be great. That we really want some even. Doing so by sounding like a demanding, entitled brat makes me hope that we never get another map again ever. I'd be disappointed in PGI and what they are teaching the human race if they were to release a map in response to someone speaking to them like this.

So, my comment is, please PGI. I beg of you. Don't release any new maps for a couple of months. Just because giving anyone even an erroneous assumption that speaking to anyone, ever, about anything, in this manner results in a positive outcome. Do the human race a favor.

Talk about hitting the nail on the head

Edited by cSand, 25 April 2014 - 05:13 PM.

[Jin Ma]

Im happy with the maps we have in game now.

would i like to see an archipelago map or jungle map? sure.

but to be honest i would much rather see a proper asteroid station map, instead of cybertron we got

[Fut]

AUSwarrior24, on 25 April 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

With all due respect, do you guys really know that much about game development?

To build new maps, developers and designers have to dedicate a large amount of time towards designing the maps, which is important for a relatively tactical game, and creating it, which is no easy feat due to the amount of little (unnecessary imo) details on each.

'Expanding the maps' indeed. What they need to spend time on is the damn core features of the game, like the Clans, and something other than this god forsaken deathmatch gameplay.

Maybe that's part of the problem. They're thinking about the maps in terms of a "Tactical Game Board" too much.
Just make some awesome landscapes, have them look/feel relatively natural, and let us battle the shit out of each other on them.

Having said that though, the OP does come off as a total douchbag, so don't take my comment as support for his cause.

Edited by Fut, 25 April 2014 - 06:06 PM.

[Craig Steele]

MischiefSC, on 25 April 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

In my business, if a customer started a conversation with that sort of tone, regardless of the validity of their comment or request, I'd utterly ignore it. More to the point I would rather fail as a business and die poor then ever, even once, for one moment, reward that sort of demanding entitlement behavior.

It's worth saying that new maps would be great. That we really want some even. Doing so by sounding like a demanding, entitled brat makes me hope that we never get another map again ever. I'd be disappointed in PGI and what they are teaching the human race if they were to release a map in response to someone speaking to them like this.

So, my comment is, please PGI. I beg of you. Don't release any new maps for a couple of months. Just because giving anyone even an erroneous assumption that speaking to anyone, ever, about anything, in this manner results in a positive outcome. Do the human race a favor.

There are some days I wish PGI would dump things I actually want to see just because of exactly this, rewarding P*** Poor behaviour.

On the other hand, they do make a rod for themselves sometimes too

But I did hear that a new jungle map is getting the final polish and is not far off, one of the Pod casts I think?

[LORD TSARKON]

AUSwarrior24, on 25 April 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

With all due respect, do you guys really know that much about game development?

To build new maps, developers and designers have to dedicate a large amount of time towards designing the maps, which is important for a relatively tactical game, and creating it, which is no easy feat due to the amount of little (unnecessary imo) details on each.

'Expanding the maps' indeed. What they need to spend time on is the damn core features of the game, like the Clans, and something other than this god forsaken deathmatch gameplay.

BULLSHIT... map making is very easy to do... a decent map can me done in a month.. or sooner if PGI would let the community help with it..

PGI started out as a MOD based company...if ever a developer needed help from a community it is PGI...
. there is an Entire community that could EASILY mod a Cry Engine Map for this game... Map making is very easy to do when compared to other factors (like Mech building or creating new weapons,ect)..
All the map pak pieces are in the game engine... it just takes a creative community to put it together...

More maps does not equate sales for PGI... hence they put it on the back burner for now... .its pissing a lot of people off.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

MW:LL Maps are far, FAR superior to the MW:O Maps.

MW:LL maps made ENTIRELY by the mecha community
MW:LL maps have destructible environments, dynamic time/weather/effects settings, etc.
MW:LL maps are larger, more interesting and filled to brim with lush detail
MW:LL maps are also made on the same exact engine...
Cryengine has built in map making tools, and people have even extracted MW:O assets into other games like here


Balls in your slow, incompetent court, PGI...

[Prezimonto]

Green Mamba, on 25 April 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

I believe a Year or So ago people were trying to get them to let the community help them with maps and It didn't go anywhere.I don't know why, as MW4 had some Community made maps that rivaled the Maps that came with the Retail game

Now I'm not an expert but I participated in development testing for the Day of Defeat Source Community Assembled Map Packs bug testing (CAMP). The mappers were guys who had made some of the original Day of Defeat maps that shipped with the mod, and they were saying that the Source engine maps(rather than HL1 engine) were literally 10 to 100 times more time involved (time wise) with making the maps smooth and playable because of all the optimization that they needed to do.

I wouldn't be surprised if the same were true of an even more advanced graphics engine again, especially one they're forcing to work on an entirely different scale than the engine was originally written to handle.

In essence I wouldn't be surprised at all if each map with testing, editing, new textures, ect, ect, ect, was 2000+ work hours for artists to produce. That might take a single mapper about a year to make a single map. So if they've got 3 or 4 guys working on maps... I'd expect 3 to 4 maps a year... which is about what we're getting.

Edited by Prezimonto, 25 April 2014 - 06:22 PM.

[Accused]

AUSwarrior24, on 25 April 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

With all due respect, do you guys really know that much about game development?

Actually now that you said something.

There is some dude here who has been playing with Cryengine. He's mostly known for showing how the pilots are scaled in relation to their cockpits. Turns out the Atlas and Commando do not work. Regardless...

...the last post I read was him looking at the maps. The building are to scales, as are the rocks, etc. He was trying to figure out exactly why the maps are so...bad. Turns out they are simply bad. As in PGI can not design maps.

I'm sure someone else will link them to you.

Craig Steele, on 25 April 2014 - 06:07 PM, said:

But I did hear that a new jungle map is getting the final polish and is not far off, one of the Pod casts I think?

The artists working on Jungle Map are now working on the art assets for CW. Also, it's a swamp map. The maps will be finished when they stop working on CW.

Edited by Accused, 25 April 2014 - 06:31 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

LORD TSARKON, on 25 April 2014 - 06:08 PM, said:

BULLSHIT... map making is very easy to do... a decent map can me done in a month.. or sooner if PGI would let the community help with it..

PGI started out as a MOD based company...if ever a developer needed help from a community it is PGI...
. there is an Entire community that could EASILY mod a Cry Engine Map for this game... Map making is very easy to do when compared to other factors (like Mech building or creating new weapons,ect)..
All the map pak pieces are in the game engine... it just takes a creative community to put it together...

More maps does not equate sales for PGI... hence they put it on the back burner for now... .its pissing a lot of people off.

Make a map then, go right ahead and show us how it's BULLSHIT.

You made the claim, live up to it.


I love it when people talk about things they don't really understand, because all they have is rudimentary knowledge with no actual understanding. Don't bother responding to this part, either make a map, and show us how hard/easy it was to make a functional cryengine map with proper terrain, mesh, and collision detection on each inch of it. Or stop yapping without understanding.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 25 April 2014 - 06:39 PM.

[Accused]

Here's something worth reading. Just to get the wheels spinning.

http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

[ProtoformX]

MischiefSC, on 25 April 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

In my business, if a customer started a conversation with that sort of tone, regardless of the validity of their comment or request, I'd utterly ignore it. More to the point I would rather fail as a business and die poor then ever, even once, for one moment, reward that sort of demanding entitlement behavior.

It's worth saying that new maps would be great. That we really want some even. Doing so by sounding like a demanding, entitled brat makes me hope that we never get another map again ever. I'd be disappointed in PGI and what they are teaching the human race if they were to release a map in response to someone speaking to them like this.

So, my comment is, please PGI. I beg of you. Don't release any new maps for a couple of months. Just because giving anyone even an erroneous assumption that speaking to anyone, ever, about anything, in this manner results in a positive outcome. Do the human race a favor.

So right, I'd like it twice.

[TheCaptainJZ]

Bryan Ekman, on 14 April 2014 - 08:42 AM, said:

Right now the art team is working on finishing up the Clan `Mechs. We have two maps in the cooker on hold for now. We're waiting for resources to free up and then we can see about finishing them up and pushing "Swamp" live.