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[Roland]

IraqiWalker, on 25 April 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Make a map then, go right ahead and show us how it's BULLSHIT.

You made the claim, live up to it.


I love it when people talk about things they don't really understand, because all they have is rudimentary knowledge with no actual understanding. Don't bother responding to this part, either make a map, and show us how hard/easy it was to make a functional cryengine map with proper terrain, mesh, and collision detection on each inch of it. Or stop yapping without understanding.

Uh, like I said, idle crow made at least one of the mechwarrior 4 maps, and it didn't take him long at all.

The mechwarrior LL guys made totally functional maps, and they weren't even being paid for it.

It's not exactly rocket science.

But the fact is, you are telling folks to make maps.. But that is exactly what many people asked to do, but pgi isn't interested in them.

[IraqiWalker]

Roland, on 25 April 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

Uh, like I said, idle crow made at least one of the mechwarrior 4 maps, and it didn't take him long at all.

The mechwarrior LL guys made totally functional maps, and they weren't even being paid for it.

It's not exactly rocket science.

But the fact is, you are telling folks to make maps.. But that is exactly what many people asked to do, but pgi isn't interested in them.

MW4 did not use nearly enough telemetry to even qualify for a cry-engine map. The problem isn't in putting the ground and mountains there. The real work comes after when meshes, collisions, shading and heat zone data comes into play (ever thought about how they make the caldera in Caustic valley hotter than the rest of the map?)

I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's not even close to how "easy" some people think it is.

[Roland]

You have never made a cry engine map, have you?

[Davers]

IraqiWalker, on 25 April 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Make a map then, go right ahead and show us how it's BULLSHIT.

You made the claim, live up to it.


I love it when people talk about things they don't really understand, because all they have is rudimentary knowledge with no actual understanding. Don't bother responding to this part, either make a map, and show us how hard/easy it was to make a functional cryengine map with proper terrain, mesh, and collision detection on each inch of it. Or stop yapping without understanding.

Not really fair that you are holding him to a higher standard than PGI.

[Craig Steele]

Davers, on 25 April 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

Not really fair that you are holding him to a higher standard than PGI.

LOL, This is a Forum, "standards" come and go like the tide

[Jman5]

I would rather they fixed the many terrain issues their older maps have. Those pillars at the top of the HPG Manifold have some of the worst invisible walls in the game. It's obscene and I can't understand why they can't just spend a couple hours shaving those down.

[Coralld]

I have said this before some where on the forums but I will say it again.

PGI should allow us to download a map maker for us to make maps. I say this because I remember them saying it requires a lot of time and money for them to make new maps. To that I say, well, make a map maker for use, let the community help make the maps. After every 2 weeks or so then PGI can nominate the 3 top maps the community has made. This way its like a event that every one can participate in while PGI still has the final say. We get new maps and PGI gets to save time and money, win win.

Also, people might be more sympathetic to the OP if he didn't sound like a spoiled brat.

[Spheroid]

No company will ever accept fan produced content because if the ownership or use of said content is ever contested the company will have to pay lawyers to defend them even if the case has no merit.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[TLBFestus]

Here is a simple description to help people understand how they distribute man hours towards various aspects of the game;


Amount of man hours needed to start and finish a map produces approximately ZERO revenue.

Amount of man hours needed to start and finish a new Mech/mechpak/color pattern/widget for mech dashboard produces A LOT MORE REVENUE THAN ZERO.

These guys are hand-to-mouth developers and, sadly for us, as such we are probably never going to see a time where free content for the game gets much love.

[Roland]

Coralld, on 25 April 2014 - 08:09 PM, said:

I have said this before some where on the forums but I will say it again.

PGI should allow us to download a map maker for us to make maps. I say this because I remember them saying it requires a lot of time and money for them to make new maps. To that I say, well, make a map maker for use, let the community help make the maps. After every 2 weeks or so then PGI can nominate the 3 top maps the community has made. This way its like a event that every one can participate in while PGI still has the final say. We get new maps and PGI gets to save time and money, win win.

Just download the Cryengine 3 SDK. The map editor comes built in.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Spheroid, on 25 April 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

No company will ever accept fan produced content because if the ownership or use of said content is ever contested the company will have to pay lawyers to defend them even if the case has no merit.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

when this fan made content was contested years ago, maps by members isn't a new argument at all, i'm sure some devs said it was about crytech contracted people could only make maps as testing, ownership etc would only create more holdups etc.

it's a puzzling case why no community content can be injected into the game. i'm sure people could've made the bobble heads but instead a "competition" was held for ideas because pgi staff are the only people authorised to amke and inject content into the game.

[Seigaku]

MischiefSC, on 25 April 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

In my business, if a customer started a conversation with that sort of tone, regardless of the validity of their comment or request, I'd utterly ignore it. More to the point I would rather fail as a business and die poor then ever, even once, for one moment, reward that sort of demanding entitlement behavior.

It's worth saying that new maps would be great. That we really want some even. Doing so by sounding like a demanding, entitled brat makes me hope that we never get another map again ever. I'd be disappointed in PGI and what they are teaching the human race if they were to release a map in response to someone speaking to them like this.

So, my comment is, please PGI. I beg of you. Don't release any new maps for a couple of months. Just because giving anyone even an erroneous assumption that speaking to anyone, ever, about anything, in this manner results in a positive outcome. Do the human race a favor.

They should realize why the tone, this game is on alpha state, i have waited long enough and still they don't fix basic stuff and they add stupid new content instead of crucial content.

So if you want people to be grateful and educated to the Devs, It's up to them to win that kind of respect.

[Craig Steele]

Seigaku, on 25 April 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

They should realize why the tone, this game is on alpha state, i have waited long enough and still they don't fix basic stuff and they add stupid new content instead of crucial content.

So if you want people to be grateful and educated to the Devs, It's up to them to win that kind of respect.

He didn't ask for them to be grateful, just civil.

It's not about earning respect, its about having manners and a sense of common decency.

Or do you walk up to people in the streets and spit on them if you don't like the colour of their shirt?

Because thats what we are talking about, manners and civility. Those are not things that are earned, those are just things that people have or they do not.

[Monkey Lover]

Random map generator. Really not that hard. If they're to lazy to program it they can buy the code.

[Magnamuz]

+1

For months now we have the same problems that don't get addressed because releasing new clan and hero mechs seems to be a lot more important than actual entertainment and content, like:

* New maps.
* Varying spawn points each round within the same map.
* A LOT of bug fixing...
* A UI that can actually be understood...
* An intuitive menu in which the Esc key can be used for something, cof cof...
* Shorter times to start playing a map.
* Smoke effects that doesn't incinerate your graphic card.

With CryEngine making a map is as easy as making a mech, so those saying that it's not an easy task don't know SHIT about the engine, they just like to lick ass and defend the game from progression and improvements that benefits all of us, so stop whining and show some support to make this game the best game possible.

[MischiefSC]

Craig Steele, on 25 April 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

He didn't ask for them to be grateful, just civil.

It's not about earning respect, its about having manners and a sense of common decency.

Or do you walk up to people in the streets and spit on them if you don't like the colour of their shirt?

Because thats what we are talking about, manners and civility. Those are not things that are earned, those are just things that people have or they do not.

Exactly.

There is a difference between frustration and the bare minimum of human decency. It's not about someone earning your respect; it's about saying things in a way that is worth listening to.

You want people to listen to what you say and actually care what you say, you need to say it in a manner that's worth listening to and worth caring about. While I'd love new maps I find myself suddenly against the idea after reading something like that. I hope PGI releases gold paint and a c-bill logo camo - maybe even an island motif, all for $50, just on GP at this point.

There we go. A cockpit decoration of a hammock strung between two palm trees, 'to sleep in while you're hanging out on the island'. I kid you not I would buy that tomorrow, on general principle, after this thread.

[Craig Steele]

MischiefSC, on 25 April 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

Exactly.

There is a difference between frustration and the bare minimum of human decency. It's not about someone earning your respect; it's about saying things in a way that is worth listening to.

You want people to listen to what you say and actually care what you say, you need to say it in a manner that's worth listening to and worth caring about. While I'd love new maps I find myself suddenly against the idea after reading something like that. I hope PGI releases gold paint and a c-bill logo camo - maybe even an island motif, all for $50, just on GP at this point.

There we go. A cockpit decoration of a hammock strung between two palm trees, 'to sleep in while you're hanging out on the island'. I kid you not I would buy that tomorrow, on general principle, after this thread.

LOL, thats actually a really good one.

Maybe a little paper umbrella over the top like those fruity drinks you get at flash restuarants.

I'd buy it too but for different reasons,

[BLOOD WOLF]

Davers, on 25 April 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

Not really fair that you are holding him to a higher standard than PGI.

he's talking big and making it sound easy. Sometimes i dont think people realize how much hard work it can be. Also i have downloaded the cry engine and started playing with it myself. it is not easy.

Craig Steele, on 25 April 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

He didn't ask for them to be grateful, just civil.

It's not about earning respect, its about having manners and a sense of common decency.

Or do you walk up to people in the streets and spit on them if you don't like the colour of their shirt?

Because thats what we are talking about, manners and civility. Those are not things that are earned, those are just things that people have or they do not.

BRAVO< +5

[Osric Lancaster]

MischiefSC, on 25 April 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

In my business, if a customer started a conversation with that sort of tone, regardless of the validity of their comment or request, I'd utterly ignore it. More to the point I would rather fail as a business and die poor then ever, even once, for one moment, reward that sort of demanding entitlement behavior.

You do realize it's extremely easy to exploit that kind of irascible emotional mentality, right? Especially in a largely anonymous setting like a forum. If you 'won't do something' just because one person who was acting like an ******* asked or told you to, you're still letting them control you. Worse, you'll probably end up doing stupid shit to spite them, and may end up being manipulated by the jerk if they know what they're doing. I'm not saying that's happening here but, the only questions a business person should ask when faced with a rude demand are -

1 - Would that improve my product or service?
2 - Would that make me more money?
3 - Are gains worth the required time / expenditure?

You may ask those questions while extending the double bird, but unless the demand pertains only to the one customer they're still worth asking. I believe the expression is - "cutting your nose off to spite your own face".

Edited by Osric Lancaster, 25 April 2014 - 09:51 PM.

[Craig Steele]

Osric Lancaster, on 25 April 2014 - 09:48 PM, said:

You do realize it's extremely easy to exploit that kind of irascible emotional mentality, right? Especially in a largely anonymous setting like a forum. If you 'won't do something' just because one person who was acting like an ******* asked or told you to, you're still letting them control you. Worse, you'll probably end up doing stupid shit to spite them, and may end up being manipulated by the jerk if they know what they're doing. I'm not saying that's happening here but, the only questions a business person should ask when faced with a rude demand are -

1 - Would that improve my product or service?
2 - Would that make me more money?
3 - Are gains worth the required time / expenditure?

You may ask those questions while extending the double bird, but unless the demand pertains only to the one customer they're still worth asking. I believe the expression is - "cutting your nose off to spite your own face".

I get your sentiment here, but business people are people first, and business second.

They want (and to be fair, are entitled) to be treated as a normal human being and the fact that you are or may be a potential client doesn't automatically make dollar signs flash in their eyes and forgive all trespasses.

There's an emotional cost of every transaction as well and if someone is a big enough tool, it's just not worth the money or the time.

I know of one guy in business who ended up with significant HR costs because of an abusive but valuable customer that he wanted to keep and with hindsight, he knows he should have cut loose the second that guy showed his colours.

I'm not suggesting thats the case here, but the reality is that manners and common decency shouldn't be absent in Forums, more so when someone is asking for something to change / improve.

Do unto others right????