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[AlmightyAeng]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 April 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

But you know it wouldn't. So why waste the time.

Yeah...but if they got their queue any last vestige of guilt or restraint on my part would then be gone, and I could tell them to "STFU nubbins" with a clear conscience.

[Mystere]

Ghost Badger, on 28 April 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

Still not broken...but I'd gladly support the addition of a solo-only queue if it would shut up everyone who complains that an evil pre-made ate their baby.

Of course, the next complaint would be that veteran players ate their baby.

MeiSooHaityu, on 28 April 2014 - 07:54 AM, said:

I have a dream. A world where PUGs and Premades can play together side by side in harmony. One day...one day...

k05h3lk1n, on 28 April 2014 - 07:55 AM, said:

This is were the balance factor comes in. Winning with a Premade against a PUG is as boring as losing with a PUG against a Premade. This is also why I can 't take anyone serious who makes a positive statement about it. It throws things off balance. Queuing solo and group players is _never_ optimal. No use to argue about that.

But some of us PUGs love handing groupies their behinds.

[Mystere]

The Mechromancer, on 28 April 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

Why is this the only game where I hear people ***** about premade groups?

Literally every other game I play this is a non-issue.

Can you say Age of Conan?

[Agent of Change]

Mystere, on 28 April 2014 - 11:20 AM, said:

Of course, the next complaint would be that veteran players ate their baby.

But some of us PUGs love handing groupies their behinds.

Mystere,

you need to stop lying to everyone. EVERYONE especially, PUGS know that you are a 'One man Synch-drop Solo Team' that is breaking the game and making things unfair by having unreasonable levels of teamwork between your left and right hands.

This kind of abuse will not stand and nothing will be ok until we have right and left hand only queues.

[Mystere]

Agent of Change, on 28 April 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

Mystere,

you need to stop lying to everyone. EVERYONE especially, PUGS know that you are a 'One man Synch-drop Solo Team' that is breaking the game and making things unfair by having unreasonable levels of teamwork between your left and right hands.

This kind of abuse will not stand and nothing will be ok until we have right and left hand only queues.

Hands? You mundanes use hands?







"The Corps is Mother. The Corps is Father."

Edited by Mystere, 28 April 2014 - 11:37 AM.

[Agent of Change]

Mystere, on 28 April 2014 - 11:34 AM, said:

Hands? You mundanes use hands?







"The Corps is Mother. The Corps is Father."

See this is what I'm talking about.

cheater

[Abivard]

Don't forget, ping times, fps rates, computer setups, gaming mice etc... all that stuff makes as much difference as anything else mentioned in this thread. case could be made that the above matters more than anything else stated in this thread ;p

It is PAY to WIN!

[Napoleon_Blownapart]

the premade group is not the problem, the no in game voice chat where a whole team can communicate is.

[Ihasa]

Oops wrong thread.

Edited by Ihasa, 28 April 2014 - 12:27 PM.

[Mycrus]

k05h3lk1n, on 28 April 2014 - 06:01 AM, said:

So, mixing groups and pugs, even if it is a single lance group never bodes well for the game. One coordinated lance is enough to bring the decisive push to a game. Especially a vet group of 4 people, getting into a game with predominantly new players, will just swipe the field.

It was never balanced in any game nor will be. I don't want to be forced to join a clan/merc corp just to have some fun. Even though I'm thinking about it because I do like the game.

Split Group and Solo Sign-Ups. I don't think the playerbase of the game is too low for that.

May I interest you in my carry harder thread?

[Davers]

Mystere, on 28 April 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

Can you say Age of Conan?

What about Age of Conan? Never played it, do tell.

[ICEFANG13]

Wanna drop with me sometime? Maybe I can ass---ist you...

[Mystere]

Davers, on 28 April 2014 - 05:34 PM, said:

What about Age of Conan? Never played it, do tell.

Everybody complained about the evil premade too, even if they were stomped by a PUG. Rift at one time also had the same problem.

[Bluttrunken]

Mystere, on 28 April 2014 - 05:40 PM, said:

Everybody complained about the evil premade too, even if they were stomped by a PUG. Rift at one time also had the same problem.

Then the devs of AoC decided to make the mistake to remove the possibility of group sign-ups completely. Of course everyone was pissed, with good reason. Still the matches that were made after that patch in AoC were the most enjoyable in a *long* time for pug sign-ups. The matches are still comparatively good, but the game feels-- deserted nowadays? Destroying grouping is not what I want, though. "Premades" are important for a competitive game in the long run. Without the possibility to team up with your friends why bother playing Team Shooters at all?

Short things short. After watching someone who announced his twitch stream in the match, queueing up for the next match with his 3 other friends and after encountering the plainly ridiculous and arrogantly chest-pounding "lord" steel, villz and his other butt-buddy a couple of times I can certainly say that the matches were it pissed me most off were decidely against or with a group.

Above mentioned chest-pounding is the best part. Shouting in all caps his name and "ggclose" after stomping a pug 1-12 really tells me much about the man's character. Humbleness is not amongst his qualities. An absolutely detestable behaviour. Queuing those people up *only* against other groups would humble many of them, even if they are decent pilots all in all.

Edited by k05h3lk1n, 28 April 2014 - 06:23 PM.

[Flaming oblivion]

Agent of Change, on 28 April 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

I said this in another thread but basically even if they got a separate queue we'd have to hear about how it's still not fair because of....

Sync Dropped Evil Pre-made Try Hards.

There is always going to be a reason why someone got beat that has nothing to do with them not playing as well as the other guy, always some reason it's not fair. Sometimes it isn't, most times it is and you just get beat.

Why PuG' should never face premade's

1) The premade team has likely played together before thus knowing what to expect from each other knowing they can work together well. The PuG's have never worked together before and have no idea what each other are capable of.

2) The premade team will likely pick a set of mechs that give them a massive advantage , at best there not going to pick mechs that suck at working together, The PuG's are rolling the dice on this.

3) Most premades can communicate by teamspeak in the knowledge there 4 guys will listen or respond if they cant help or whatever, PuG's some just wont flat out listen and even if they do communicating in team chat is just to difficult once the battles really begun.

Anyone Who spends there spare time stealing candy off children and feeling proud of there big number results, Should continue to fight to keep premades in the PuG que. Anyone who wants to earn respect and there fancy win numbers , Should fight to the death to change it so they're not just simply feeding on the PuG's (which is essentially a case of no matter how hard you try you can't lose 80% of your battles in a premade vs PuG's)

Anyone who disagrees is lying to themselves, And I understand it it's hard to swallow because to accept the truth you'd have to accept the truth that the lions share of your win % K/D and high damage numbers aren't based off your skill but rather a exploited system that should never have been implemented.

[Revorn]

PUGs only vs PUGs only Mode.

[Magna Canus]

k05h3lk1n, on 28 April 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

After watching someone who announced his twitch stream in the match, queueing up for the next match with his 3 other friends and after encountering the plainly ridiculous and arrogantly chest-pounding "lord" steel, villz and his other butt-buddy a couple of times I can certainly say that the matches were it pissed me most off were decidely against or with a group. Above mentioned chest-pounding is the best part. Shouting in all caps his name and "ggclose" after stomping a pug 1-12 really tells me much about the man's character. Humbleness is not amongst his qualities. An absolutely detestable behaviour. Queuing those people up *only* against other groups would humble many of them, even if they are decent pilots all in all.

Don't let the house of lords brainwash you into thinking that all units are just like them. They are a special sort they are.

I really enjoy playing against them, because when I nail one of them I get the bragging rights for it. Lord Steel is average at best, but watch out for Villz and Kaffeeangst, they are a real challenge.

I would really hate to have groups be removed from the PUG que. When I PUG I would rather have the challenge and danger potential there than not. Seeing "Clan smoke jade ghost ardvark" at the beginning of a match puts me in high gear.

[Joseph Mallan]

You sir sound Competitive, facing any challenge to come your way.

[Magna Canus]

Flaming oblivion, on 29 April 2014 - 05:00 AM, said:

Why PuG' should never face premade's

1) The premade team has likely played together before thus knowing what to expect from each other knowing they can work together well. The PuG's have never worked together before and have no idea what each other are capable of.

2) The premade team will likely pick a set of mechs that give them a massive advantage , at best there not going to pick mechs that suck at working together, The PuG's are rolling the dice on this.

3) Most premades can communicate by teamspeak in the knowledge there 4 guys will listen or respond if they cant help or whatever, PuG's some just wont flat out listen and even if they do communicating in team chat is just to difficult once the battles really begun. Anyone Who spends there spare time stealing candy off children and feeling proud of there big number results, Should continue to fight to keep premades in the PuG que. Anyone who wants to earn respect and there fancy win numbers , Should fight to the death to change it so they're not just simply feeding on the PuG's (which is essentially a case of no matter how hard you try you can't lose 80% of your battles in a premade vs PuG's) Anyone who disagrees is lying to themselves, And I understand it it's hard to swallow because to accept the truth you'd have to accept the truth that the lions share of your win % K/D and high damage numbers aren't based off your skill but rather a exploited system that should never have been implemented.

1) When I PUG I tend to see a lot of faces/names I know and have PUGed with before. I know these people and know how they play. I also spot a pre-made I know of now and again too. I work with the good ones, ignore the bad ones, and when I see a good one on the enemy team I know its time to get real.

2) PUGs NEVER use meta builds, or good builds at all. They ALWAYS drive cheap trash that NEVER compliments the load-out of the rest of the team. Hell, Smurphy's BLOCKS you if you are a PUG, preventing you from finding a good build, and the Mech-lab blends out all the good weapons. *sigh*

3) Grown-ups that act like children don't get the benefit of the doubt that actual children do.

Edited by Magnakanus, 29 April 2014 - 09:00 AM.

[Flaming oblivion]

Magnakanus, on 29 April 2014 - 05:27 AM, said:

1) When I PUG I tend to see a lot of faces/names I know and have PUGed with before. I know these people and know how they play. I also spot a pre-made I know of now and again too. I work with the good ones, ignore the bad ones, and when I see a good one on the enemy team I know its time to get real.

2) PUGs NEVER use meta builds, or good builds at all. They ALWAYS drive cheap trash that NEVER compliments the load-out of the rest of the team. Hell, Smurphy's BLOCKS you if you are a PUG, preventing you from finding a good build, and the Mech-lab blends out all the good weapons. *sigh*

3) Grown-ups that act like children don't get the benefit of the doubt actual children do.

, Premade's no downside what so ever , PuGs no upsides what so ever, that is all