Roadkill, on 28 April 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:
The thing is, whether or not I hit 'r' is completely irrelevant to the missile boat. All 'r' does is make the magic Dorito on his mini map change from hollow to filled in. If he'd hit 'r' himself, he could fill in the magic Dorito without my help.
THAT is why I'm convinced we're doomed when someone writes "hit 'r' for missile support!" Because they're completely clueless about how radar lock works, which means they just want to hide behind hills and file missiles from relative safety.
If someone says "You TAG 'em, I'll bag 'em" then I'm not (quite) as concerned. My use of TAG also (hopefully) communicates that I intend to hold the lock for the boat, so the boat saying this implies that he's going to actually cooperate with his spotter/tagger.
Dracol, on 28 April 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:
Just an FYI, if you personally do not have LOS to a target, you can only hit "r" if some one else has them targeted prior. If a scout has LOS but does not target a mech, no other mech on the team gets the target info. Might not have been the case you were referring too but... um, figured I'd post just in case.
That's why you'll hear mutliple "pings" from a scout when they find a force of mechs. They'll rapidly press R to get all the individual mechs to briefly appear so other players know there is more then one mech present.
Lynx7725, on 28 April 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:
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You know I facepalmed at this?
What "R" does is to change YOUR hollow triangle into a filled triangle -- and send ONLY the filled triangle to all your teammates. Your teammates don't see all your hollow triangles! They only see the filled triangle you targeted. Your LRM boat teammates, your quad AC fire support, all can't see your hollow triangles. How can they fill in what they can't see?
@Roadkill,
As Dracol and Lynx7725 said, that's totally
not how targeting works. When you have LoS to a target that is inside your sensor range and detection angle, it gains a hollow red triangle. When a friendly has a mech in LoS, he
and only he sees said hollow red triangle. As a missile boat trying to fire indirectly, the only targets you have are the ones actively selected by your spotters (the solid red triangle that signifies that an ally has the mech targeted). LRM carriers only see those empty red triangles if they themselves have LoS on the enemy, in which case the LRM carrier is at great risk, since LRMs generally lose to direct-fire FLD builds, especially ones that aren't driven by morons.
One of the things in this game that really gets me is when an LRM pilot asks for locks and someone on the team spitefully says that he's not going to target anything just to render the LRM carrier useless. It's self-defeating, petty, and worse than pointless. It loses the jerk who refuses to target things the opportunity to place his shots (you need to target things to see their damage info), it loses him credit (and the resulting c-bills and xp) for spotting, and it loses him a lot of helpful damage that could be the difference between a solid and profitable win and a low-payout loss.
If you ever are in a match where someone asks for people to target their enemies, then don't be that guy, go ahead and press "r." Even if you dislike LRM carriers, going ahead and selecting your targets so the LRMs can hit them is in your self-interest. If nothing else, it will help to end the match that much sooner so you can drop with a different team that doesn't include LRM carriers.
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