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[Generic Player]

Damn.... they removed the 15% damage reduction for Founder 'Mechs? Can't find anything in patch notes...

[Tynan]

Jun Watarase, on 02 May 2014 - 06:54 AM, said:

Jenner : ECM is god. No reason to use a non-ecm light.

While the founder's Jenner isn't my favorite Jenner, it's still a solid mech. There are, in fact, MANY reasons to use Jenners and Firestarters over the ECM lights. You've been around long enough that no one should have to point these out to you.

[Suko]

DeRazer, on 02 May 2014 - 04:40 AM, said:

Catapults in general seem pretty weak nowadays - but yes I did play my Founders Catapult recently and was amazed at how it seemed to buckle a lot more quickly than when I used to play it regularly.

Don't know whether it's a hit registration issue or just that it's vulnerable to the meta play...

It blew my mind that they didn't reduce its CT hitbox at all in the last pass. It's obviously the largest CT of any mech in MWO by a mile, but they actually made it a fraction bigger by reducing the head hitbox. I'm not claiming this additional hitbox area makes a tactical difference, but it's still a joke how large the Catapult CT is. Combine this with the current meta of high pinpoint damage weapons and you have a bad combination; A mech that has no arms, so it must face opponents head-on to fight, but has the largest CT in the game, AND the opposing weapons can nearly core it in two direct-hit salvos.

The only luck I've had in my Founder's Catapult is by having 2xLRM-15 with 2xLLaser and 2xMLasers. I stick a bit behind the team, using LRMs and hope to live until the end of the match, when most of the enemies are (hopefully) weak. Then I can mop up effectively without fear of near-instant death.

Edited by ShadowVFX, 02 May 2014 - 02:48 PM.

[Carrioncrows]

The other thing worth mentioning about the founders mechs is that they are by far the oldest mechs

Been around for forever, so every tom, nick and barry knows what it can do and where to hit it.

[Khobai]

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Anyone Else Find The Founders Mechs Incredibly Fragile?

I find ALL mechs incredibly fragile.

The problem is we went from 8v8 to 12v12, which increased damage and focus fire by 50%, but mech survivability was never increased proportionally. The result is that our armor feels like its made of wet paper bags.

They need to increase internal structure by 50%-100%.

[Thorqemada]

I was in a PUG with some of the i guess russian Premades and my Atlas had ~120 damage at the end of the fight as i was allways limping behind them trying to get at least one shot at an enemy b4 it was dead metal.
Really, TTBK versus Premades like this and other Top-Dog-Groups is a "Blink of an Eye" regardless what Mech you field.

[Tynan]

Khobai, on 02 May 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

I find ALL mechs incredibly fragile.

The problem is we went from 8v8 to 12v12, which increased damage and focus fire by 50%, but mech survivability was never increased proportionally. The result is that our armor feels like its made of wet paper bags.

They need to increase internal structure by 50%-100%.

TTK is definitely too low, but the problem with increasing anything by percent (which they did to armor already) disproportionately advantages assaults: a locust getting double internal structure might be able to survive one more direct AC10 round, but an Atlas with double structure will be able to take a *lot* more punishment.

Frankly, I think double armor is part of why mediums are so shafted--that hundred percent increase widens the gap between them and heavier mechs that much more.

[Khobai]

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disproportionately advantages assaults: a locust getting double internal structure might be able to survive one more direct AC10 round, but an Atlas with double structure will be able to take a *lot* more punishment.

yes but small scaling and high speed disproportionately benefits lights. weve all seen a spider run past our team and get shot at by our whole team and survive. light mechs can already take more punishment than assaults in this game. so I see no problem with buffing assaults a little.

the real loser is mediums though. somethings gotta be done with mediums to bring them upto par.

[Lyoto Machida]

l33tworks, on 02 May 2014 - 04:36 AM, said:

I seem to have great trouble doing well in my founders mechs. It seems to have nothing to do with recognition or being targeted, just the fact they seem more fragile than they should. I'm wondering if its just my imagination or if others notice this.

For example I was just playing my Founders Catapult, in Frozen city jumping over the hill LRMing and back down. I did this for 2-3 minutes non stop, someone LRM locks me a single time, I see what looks like 2xLRM 15 at at most, it hits me behind cover, and I am at critical damage front left torso from that single salvo?

Ditto for the Founder Atlas. I know for a fact the whole left side of the head used to register as a headshot a few months ago, not just the eye, not sure if they fixed that, but it shows it is possible for the Founders mechs to take damage differently to the rest.

Even if we ignore that the whole mech just dies quicker than an Atlas should.

Rarely take out the Founders anymore (aside from the Atlas) but I took my Cat out for a spin for the first time in a long time (and first time since the stat wipe). Used to run 3LL but ran it as a jumpsniper for the first time ever (2 ERPPC with a ton of DHS).

Averaged 549.5 damage in the two games I played. Didn't seem any more fragile than normal but I'd have to run it more to see.

[Daekar]

3^4 will fix some TTK issues. I'm still bitter that Catapults are so lackluster nowadays, but I suppose I should have expected it. Will try that 2xLL + 2xML + 2xLRM10 fit.

[DocBach]

keep em stock and play with us here http://mechforceclas...enjin.com/forum

hunchback is a beast in stock games

[Aresye]

I love my founders Catapult. I've named it "Nuisance," for a few reasons. Sports 3 ER Large, Jump Jets, max armor, a top speed of ~87kph, and enough heat sinks to void the effects of ghost heat.





To the OP though, I do agree that my founders Catapult feels much more fragile than my other (K2). The K2 seems like it can take a few heavy hits and barely be out of the yellow, whereas my founders Catapult barely takes a glancing shot from a 2 ER Large Raven @ 1200m and it puts my CT in the orange. No idea.

Edited by Aresye, 02 May 2014 - 04:09 PM.

[East Indy]

DocBach, on 02 May 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

keep em stock and play with us here http://mechforceclas...enjin.com/forum

hunchback is a beast in stock games

Off-topic, I know, but bear with me.

Using stock 'Mechs, how well is the game balanced?

[Creovex]

I use 4 smurfys builds (will add later) and I have no issues. I dropped about 5 million bills in each to get them where they are not paper weights but from stock they did seem to all pop a little early compared to today's mechs/variants.

Edited by Creovex, 02 May 2014 - 04:13 PM.

[Daekar]

DocBach, on 02 May 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

keep em stock and play with us here http://mechforceclas...enjin.com/forum

hunchback is a beast in stock games

That is awesome. If I didn't play weird inconsistent hours I would jump into that and never pug drop again.

[Deathlike]

Tynan, on 02 May 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

While the founder's Jenner isn't my favorite Jenner, it's still a solid mech. There are, in fact, MANY reasons to use Jenners and Firestarters over the ECM lights. You've been around long enough that no one should have to point these out to you.

Now I have better context to the complaints... so much of this would've been true a year+ ago... not now.

[DocBach]

Daekar, on 02 May 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

That is awesome. If I didn't play weird inconsistent hours I would jump into that and never pug drop again.

I work from midnight to 8AM

[Jonathan Paine]

Since the stat reset, my founders Atlas is consistently better than my DDC. Which is so weird! But hey, I love my Atlases (not you K, back in the corner!).

[Deathlike]

DocBach, on 02 May 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

I work from midnight to 8AM

Well, that sucks man.

[Daekar]

DocBach, on 02 May 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

I work from midnight to 8AM

I feel you. I'm 3:30-midnight, and it screws up everything.