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[TimePeriod]

I've been having a lot of luck with autocannons and using burst fire rather then full auto. It falls down a lot more accurate and seems simply to do more damage.

Before you start hating, please read.

My logic behind this is quite simple really. I used the Dragon-N5 with x2 AC5 and 1 AC2. I put 1 AC5 into a group with the AC2. Then I put the other AC5 into another group. Then I fire both groups which creates a imitation of "burst-fire".

Why bother? Because when I am moving about in my Dragon I have to be more careful with my shots as I do not have the ammo supply like larger 'Mechs thus I must make sure that my shots count more pr shell (maximize damage). Since I cannot stand around and take damage like every other 'Mech around I have to continue moving and chainfire is out of the option as it takes too long to cycle each weapon.

Further explained:

Maximizing the amount of damage I can do while exposing myself as little as possible I had to come up with a technique that allowed me to fire and then move on to the next target while still retaining a good resemblance of accuracy. Thus I simply switched some groups about and dumped all my alternative weapons for more ammo and guns. It works for me, maybe it could work for you?

Edited by TimePeriod, 02 May 2014 - 01:15 PM.

[Mcgral18]

....I'm not sure you're using the correct terms...

[TimePeriod]

Mcgral18, on 02 May 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

....I'm not sure you're using the correct terms...

Sure I am. Burst fire is the correct term.

[Mcgral18]

TimePeriod, on 02 May 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Sure I am. Burst fire is the correct term.

What are you trying to say then?

ACs are neither burst, nor Full Auto. cUACs are going to be burst. But nothing in game is burst ATM, and only the MG and flamer are full auto.

Edited by Mcgral18, 02 May 2014 - 12:17 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

sigh...

The OP is referring to only firing a couple shots at a time rather then just holding the mouse button down. I am failing to see the benefit of doing that though. Perhaps simply because you are more patient with your shots?

Burst fire means you only fire a few shots a time instead of holding the mouse button down with AC2s and UAC5s (full auto). See M16 select fire between full auto and burst.

[TimePeriod]

Gas Guzzler, on 02 May 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

sigh...

The OP is referring to only firing a couple shots at a time rather then just holding the mouse button down. I am failing to see the benefit of doing that though. Perhaps simply because you are more patient with your shots?

Burst fire means you only fire a few shots a time instead of holding the mouse button down with AC2s and UAC5s (full auto). See M16 select fire between full auto and burst.

Logic! Rather then going full auto onto a target, spaying bullets everywhere around I can take better aim and hit an otherwise exposed part.

[Mcgral18]

TimePeriod, on 02 May 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

Logic! Rather then going full auto onto a target, spaying bullets everywhere around I can take better aim and hit an otherwise exposed part.

Well, aim isn't affected by firing of the weapons, so all you lose is damage. If you were talking chainfire, you're losing out on an FLD alpha to a single location, but hitreg would likely improve.

I guess it's your choice...but I can't see a benefit. You can aim while firing without issues.

[Edustaja]

So you're essentially saying that accurate fire is better than inaccurate fire.

You could also argue that it's better to keep the whole beam of laser fire on the same component instead of wiggling it around.

[Barantor]

Mcgral18, on 02 May 2014 - 12:17 PM, said:

What are you trying to say then?

ACs are neither burst, nor Full Auto. cUACs are going to be burst. But nothing in game is burst ATM, and only the MG and flamer are full auto.

They are fully automatic as far as the button press goes. Full Automatic means it fires till it runs out of ammo as long as you keep the trigger down.

He is talking about controlled bursts, which is something you do with real life machine guns. I.E. you shoot it for a few rounds and then let off to make sure you are on target and not wasting ammo.

It isn't burst fire though as that is a totally different animal where it fires a specific number of rounds before stopping. Semi Automatic would be one round per button press.

In the end, yes, controlling your shots instead of spray and pray will usually benefit your results.

[EyeOne]

TimePeroid is back with another nonsensical thread.

There is no reticule spread here. It really makes no different if you hold the button down or not. Unless you are having trouble tracking and firing at the same time but I don't see how that would effect anything but the AC2 really.

And no, "Burst fire" is not the right term.

[TimePeriod]

In my experience (while piloting a dragon of all, 5N) I have scored a lot more component destructions while firing burst or semi-auto as Barantor has so kindly described. My rounds just land a lot more accurately onto the target compartment I want to damage as when I fire full-auto the shells land all over the target.

[Bhael Fire]

First, let's not confuse terms here:

Burst fire means the weapon fires off several shots with a single trigger pull. Some automatic weapons have a burst and full auto mode selection, which when fired in burst mode allows the shooter to fire a few rounds per trigger pull. This is used as a means of ammo conservation and helps keep recoil manageable.


Even though technically all weapons (except Gauss) in MWO are fully automatic (i.e. they continue to fire as long as the trigger is held), firing one shot per trigger pull is not "burst fire" — that's just firing one shot at a time.

[EyeOne]

TimePeriod, on 02 May 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

In my experience (while piloting a dragon of all, 5N) I have scored a lot more component destructions while firing burst or semi-auto as Barantor has so kindly described. My rounds just land a lot more accurately onto the target compartment I want to damage as when I fire full-auto the shells land all over the target.

But that's all on you. Go into the trial grounds, stand still and hold the button down and see what happens. They'll all hit the same place.

[AlmightyAeng]

This thread could be renamed "Aiming...it helps." Whatever helps you aim best, dude...if that's popping off shots in small groups to gauge where you should be leading, more power to you.

[Edustaja]

There are no cone of fire/bursting mechanics in MWO.

It's just your aim.

[AlmightyAeng]

Edustaja, on 02 May 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

There are no cone of fire/bursting mechanics in MWO.

It's just your aim.

Except machine-guns...which are also hitscan...and spread fire RANDOMLY in approximately the size of a commando.

Edited by Ghost Badger, 02 May 2014 - 12:43 PM.

[Mister Blastman]

Edustaja, on 02 May 2014 - 12:29 PM, said:

So you're essentially saying that accurate fire is better than inaccurate fire.

Man I always thought the goal was to pull out the squad assault weapon and lay down the trigger, spraying into the air. All that noise is bound to keep their heads down! ...


... unfortunately it won't keep their bodies down... deep into the ground.

[TimePeriod]

EyeOne, on 02 May 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

But that's all on you. Go into the trial grounds, stand still and hold the button down and see what happens. They'll all hit the same place.

I know, please try and read the entire topic and keep an open state of mind rather then turn into a meta-**** like every other time you try to destroy my topics.

[CygnusX7]

I can't help but laugh when I see a mech playing "swords".
I've done it myself but Lulz none the less.

[BatWing]

My god..

What the hell are you talking about ??

Burst... Full Auto?? Are playing CoD or BF3??

There is nothing like that in this game, in case you didn t notice. I will give you another GREAT News.. There is NO Recoil!!!!

Therefore, if there is no recoil, there is no difference other than personal preference and personal skill to hold or not hold the button.

As in any game, Spray and Pray is a poor decision. however, again.. just in case you did not notice here in MWO you have:
Chain Fire or Group Fire

All weapons are ONLY "fully automatic" if you wanna call 'em that way. However good luck to you holding your button for 4 seconds (AC20 recycle time) or 3 sec something (LL recycle time) and so on.

When you talk about AC2s, possibly the only weapon with such a fast rate to remind a machine gun (and of course the little machine guns them self). Then maybe you can talk about "burst".

however, if you are at 200 mtr to your target and you have a steady aim, why should you go "burst" if you can just hold it down till when your mech will become purple and will shut down?

There is no Recoil, so no downside to not hold the AC2 down !!

Why comparing MWO weapons to other game (or real for what it matters) weapons.

No Burst or Full Auto here man... you are lost....