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[Ursh]

Warge, on 26 May 2014 - 04:36 AM, said:

Change LRM5 for SRM6

No, the LRM is for farming assists and panicking people for a sec to keep their heads down while I reposition.

[Nehkrosis]

ShadowbaneX, on 26 May 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

Too much SRM ammo, no need for those extra DHS and not enough uAC/5 ammo. Also, if you've got CASE, why are you putting ammo in your legs & arms?

An ammo Explosion in your legs travels upward then inward. CASE works in this Situation.
also, ammo in arms. (CASE works here too)
the double heat sinks are more for random padding, as the extra tonnage is useless, otherwise.

and 120 rounds of Ultra is plenty as long as your accurate, IMHO.

Edited by Nehkrosis, 27 May 2014 - 04:38 AM.

[Escef]

Nehkrosis, on 27 May 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:

and 120 rounds of Ultra is plenty as long as your accurate, IMHO.

It's enough for twin AC5, but a pair of UAC5? Wouldn't want to try it. You could easily strip that second ton of SRM ammo for more UAC, though. I mean, how often do you really need more than 25 shots with a single SRM4 on a mech where twin UAC5 is the primary weapon?

Edited by Escef, 27 May 2014 - 04:51 AM.

[DrSlamastika]

mine setup: 4xAC5 + 2xML

[Escef]

DrSlamastika, on 27 May 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

mine setup: 4xAC5 + 2xML

Yeah, that's a pretty standard build, though it looks like you're shy 2 points of armor.

Unfortunately, the Jagermech has supplanted the CTF-4X as the heavy ballistic mech of choice. The higher and tighter weapon mounts make for much better better firing points, despite the loss of lateral movement.

[Ultimax]

ShadowbaneX, on 20 May 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

If you've got CASE why put ammo in the CT/Legs? Or strip half a ton of armour and put CASE in both side torsos and balance the ammo on each side.

You're right for the most part, but I like to have ammo spread a bit in case one location gets taken out.

I lose torso's a lot on the 4X, but it's extremely rare to lose legs.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 27 May 2014 - 05:34 AM.

[ShadowbaneX]

Ultimatum X, on 27 May 2014 - 05:30 AM, said:

You're right for the most part, but I like to have ammo spread a bit in case one location gets taken out.

I lose torso's a lot on the 4X, but it's extremely rare to lose legs.

That I can sorta buy, but really, if you lose a torso, you're in trouble as you've lost an arm, and 1 MG isn't nearly as good as 2. The SRM? That's hit or miss, literally with the way that it frequently doesn't register damage. That said, at the very least going up to 6 tons of ammo is an improvement. I run my K2 with 7 tons and my Ilya with 10 and usually by the end of a match (assuming I'm alive) I'm running out of ammo.

[Ultimax]

ShadowbaneX, on 27 May 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

That I can sorta buy, but really, if you lose a torso, you're in trouble as you've lost an arm, and 1 MG isn't nearly as good as 2.

Definitely.

But you still have 1 arm with an AC 10, and 2x MLAS in the torso.

You're hurt bad, but you can still do damage.

[ShadowbaneX]

Ultimatum X, on 27 May 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:

Definitely.

But you still have 1 arm with an AC 10, and 2x MLAS in the torso.

You're hurt bad, but you can still do damage.

Nah, definitely more sorta. If you've got the ammo loaded in the torsos, if you lose one, you lose your MGs, if you lose the other, you lose your SRM. Unless someone can confirm the CASE thing, you might as well make best use of CASE and just load up your torsos with ammo, because, as you said, either way, you've still got an AC/10 and the MLs.

[Nehkrosis]

Fair points. try it though, and tell me how you fair.
The thing can certainly brawl.

and yeah CASE works as i described. pretty damn sure.

[Ultimax]

ShadowbaneX, on 28 May 2014 - 03:46 AM, said:

Nah, definitely more sorta. If you've got the ammo loaded in the torsos, if you lose one, you lose your MGs

What do you mean?

The build I posted has the MG ammo in the head.

If you lose the right torso, you will lose 2 tons of AC 10 ammo if you haven't already used it (since on the layout I posted, that ammo would be used first) and you would lose functionality of the right arm which is 1 AC 10 and 1 MG.

You would still have 1 AC 10, all of the 4 tons ammo in your legs, as well as 1 MG and the 1 ton ammo in your head +2x MLAS.



2 Tons in RT = 30 rounds / 2x AC 10 = 15 Double-shots.


So after the first 15 double shots, you've already depleted that ammo anyway.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 28 May 2014 - 11:44 AM.

[ShadowbaneX]

I was talking about the build that had the SRM4 in the head.

If you've got it 3 in the RT and 3 in the LT it doesn't really matter which you lose, you've still got plenty of ammo left. Also keep in mind that the Cataphract is a pretty good mech for XL Engines, which means that it tends to lose it's CT before it's STs. You're more likely to lose that leg than you are a side torso.

[Ultimax]

ShadowbaneX, on 28 May 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

I was talking about the build that had the SRM4 in the head.

If you've got it 3 in the RT and 3 in the LT it doesn't really matter which you lose, you've still got plenty of ammo left. Also keep in mind that the Cataphract is a pretty good mech for XL Engines, which means that it tends to lose it's CT before it's STs. You're more likely to lose that leg than you are a side torso.

OK, I see we were referencing different builds.

I use an XL myself, but I posted a STD engine build keeping with the OPs original version.

[Ursh]

I do run cataphracts with xl engines, but rarely on the 4x. It's just too slow, and I seem to lose the side torsos more than I lose the center, through twisting, fate, or whatever.

When I was leveling the 2x and 3D, for example, I always ran XLs because the higher speed increased survivability enough to risk it. The 4X is just too slow, but I find the 4xAC5 build to be pretty good in a group, but very dangerous in a pug.

[DrSlamastika]

Ursh, on 28 May 2014 - 10:50 PM, said:

When I was leveling the 2x and 3D, for example, I always ran XLs because the higher speed increased survivability enough to risk it. The 4X is just too slow, but I find the 4xAC5 build to be pretty good in a group, but very dangerous in a pug.

Maybe you dont know how to play with it this is my stats with that setup on picture above . . . Not bad I think.



Biggest possible XL engine - 4xAC5 + 2xML . . . comon setup, but great working.
BTW thats all from pug matches.

[ShadowbaneX]

Humm, it appears I haven't taken my CTF-4X out for a spin since the stat reset, but my archived stats are something like



Granted, that's mainly quad AC/5, although occasionally dual Gauss & dual LB-10/X. I tried quad AC/2 but didn't like it. I might have done dual AC/10 a time or two.