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#1 JSmith7784

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:23 AM

If I remember correctly the clans have their own original designs and many upgraded Inner Sphere designs as well. Didn't they leave with thousands of classic mechs that only com star still has access to? With all the working tech that the IS lost during the succession wars?

From the books I thought I remember the clans upgrading their older mechs and keeping them in reserve, while their omni mechs were on the front line. All I can think of is the Hunchback IIc, but I know there are more. Will we be getting access to these mechs once the clans arrive? Also I do remember the Hunchback IIc was a glass cannon with 2xAC/20's and very little armor. I'm just thinking it would be cool to have modified IS designs with different hard points and maybe a clan inspired different look and cockpit design.

Edited by Egomane, 08 May 2014 - 05:42 AM.


#2 ShadowWolf Kell

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:25 AM

View PostJSmith7784, on 08 May 2014 - 03:23 AM, said:

If I remember correctly the clans have their own original designs and many upgraded Inner Sphere designs as well. Didn't they leave with thousands of classic mechs that only com star still has access to? With all the working tech that the IS lost during the succession wars?

From the books I thought I remember the clans upgrading their older mechs and keeping them in reserve, while their omni mechs were on the front line. All I can think of is the Hunchback IIc, but I know there are more. Will we be getting access to these mechs once the clans arrive? Also I do remember the Hunchback IIc was a glass cannon with 2xAC/20's and very little armor. I'm just thinking it would be cool to have modified IS designs with different hard points and maybe a clan inspired different look and cockpit design.


The upgraded IS designs are the IIC variants which I don't think will be in the game as they aren't Omnimechs for one, and two, they were mostly used as garrison mechs back on the Clan homeworlds. They're often piloted by freebirths as well.

Edited by ShadowWolf Kell, 08 May 2014 - 03:26 AM.


#3 Dago Red

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:30 AM

Oh I'm sure there will be a Freebirth pack somewhere down the line. The question is mainly how long it takes them to crank through the more iconic stuff first.

Edited by Dago Red, 08 May 2014 - 03:30 AM.


#4 Karl Streiger

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:31 AM

last not least CLan IICs only had the name - everything else was different - or at least for the first wave
(Warhammer IIC, Marauder IIC, Shadow Hawk IIC, Phoenix Hawk IIC......)

#5 ShadowWolf Kell

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:37 AM

View PostKarl Streiger, on 08 May 2014 - 03:31 AM, said:

last not least CLan IICs only had the name - everything else was different - or at least for the first wave
(Warhammer IIC, Marauder IIC, Shadow Hawk IIC, Phoenix Hawk IIC......)


This is true. They were usually 10 tons heavier and complete redesigns. I keep hearing about this timeline limit they have and the IICs are literally 3+ years off if they're actually going to follow it.

#6 Dracol

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:43 AM

Except for the fact it wouldn't fit with the experience system, having a mech that one could no modify would be interesting. It would give an easy option for set private matches.... similar to Stock mech matches. At the earliest their would already be at least 41 mechs available...so adding 8 that are set and decently equipped would change up things a little.

Take fore example the Hunchback IIC - dual Ultra AC/20s pretty sweet just as it is
Might get to see a Maruader IIC - 3 ER PPCs 2 Med Pulse and 4 ER small laser and 21 DHS

The IICs if I recall correctly would have setups that would be usable in MW:O as is (unlike IS stock 3025 mechs)

Edited by Dracol, 08 May 2014 - 03:44 AM.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:52 AM

Greetings all,

For reference:

Difference between "IIC" and "C" designs:

IIC BattleMechs, which are essentially new 'Mech models designed to make use of Clan technology, should not be confused with "C" BattleMechs:
Somewhat similar to the IIC concept, "C"-type BattleMechs are standard 'Mech designs that have been built or upgraded with advanced Clan equipment and components, but are essentially only a variant of their parent design built with better components and not an altogether new design (as opposed to a IIC 'Mech that has been redesigned from the ground up). Frequently, the change is limited to exchanging weapon systems for advanced Clan counterparts, without changing the chassis or other components such as the fusion engine or heat sinks.
- They are typically built by the Clans at captured Inner Sphere factories to achieve the best possible production result without having to retool the factory for an entirely different 'Mech model.

Although superior to Inner Sphere technology, IIC 'Mechs do not make use of Omni technology and were thus already considered obsolete by the Clans by the time of the Clan Invasion.
- They were absent from frontline formations, but were used in second-line and garrison units.
- Many IIC designs have altered the parent design's mass and some actually bear little resemblance to the earlier design or item of the same name.

The complete list of these Mech chassis, although some may never be seen within this game.

BattleMechs As stated these were mostly Garrison and Second line elements, and as the main front line Mech's fought the battles and moved on, these units were brought in to actually 'hold the captured Planets'. So we may indeed see some of these chassis as the Inner Sphere attempts to 'Retake' some of the captured locations, this was a common occurrence all along the Factions borders. And exactly what Community Warfare is all about.


9erRed

Edited by 9erRed, 08 May 2014 - 03:54 AM.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:52 AM

View PostJSmith7784, on 08 May 2014 - 03:23 AM, said:

If I remember correctly the clans have their own original designs and many upgraded Inner Sphere designs as well. Didn't they leave with thousands of classic mechs that only com star still has access to? With all the working tech that the IS lost during the succession wars?

From the books I thought I remember the clans upgrading their older mechs and keeping them in reserve, while their omni mechs were on the front line. All I can think of is the Hunchback IIc, but I know there are more. Will we be getting access to these mechs once the clans arrive? Also I do remember the Hunchback IIc was a glass cannon with 2xAC/20's and very little armor. I'm just thinking it would be cool to have modified IS designs with different hard points and maybe a clan inspired different look and cockpit design.


This is not quite how it is, although it is easy to get confused due to the re using of names.

Basically, some IS mechs were redesigned after the retaking of the Pentagon worlds as part of the program of each Clan developing its touman.

Usually this involved upgraded clan tech enhancing the chassis inherent mission profile, but resulted often in a very different mech. For example, the Phoenix Hawk IIC is an 80t monster, where as the Griffin IIC is a 40t LRM carrier.

So the answer to your question is that they are 'older' mechs, but they are not IS manufactured mechs updated with clan weapons. They are mechs that are designed and manufactured in Clan space and in some cases continue to be manufactured by some Clans.

However they certainly are less desired compared to Omni's as these mechs are usually assigned to garrison units (hence the name 2nd line) and the opportunity for combat is limited in those units.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 02:51 AM

The IIc mechs would be a good addition to the game. I would love to have my IS Hunchbacks and then an updated clan inspired IIc with a upgraded cockpit/HUD to reflect the advance clan tech.

Thanks for the info. I always thought the IIc mechs were the original mechs they took with them when they left the inner sphere and then upgraded. So basically the IIc mechs are the original designs, newly produced, to use as garrison units? I figured they were the mechs that came between the original star league designs and the clan omni mechs.

Can't wait for the clans to arrive, but would love to see the IIc designs in game too.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 06:43 AM

View PostJSmith7784, on 09 May 2014 - 02:51 AM, said:

Thanks for the info. I always thought the IIc mechs were the original mechs they took with them when they left the inner sphere and then upgraded. So basically the IIc mechs are the original designs, newly produced, to use as garrison units? I figured they were the mechs that came between the original star league designs and the clan omni mechs


Some were upgraded original SLDF mechs: like the Guillotine and Wyvern. Others were complete redesigns like Phoenix and Shadow Hawks. And the Jenner IIC is a copy of an Inner Sphere mech they had never seen before. Guess they thought the Jenner was OP too.

#11 Odins Fist

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 06:56 AM

Clan Tech will be nothing like BattleTech TT, the devs already said it will be balanced against IS Tech.
So far Clan Tech is nothing more then screen-shots.
I doubt PGI will make any upgraded IS mechs available, slim chance, but I doubt it.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 08:16 AM

I am a huge Hunchback fan, but that Hunch IIC was a deathtrap LOL. Sure dual A/C20s sound great in a Medium, but think about that...Weapons that BARELY fit in a 70 ton Jager or 65 ton Catapult, in a Medium... Yea, maybe 1 ton ammo, crap engine and hardly any armor in a Medium. There was a reason the clans Freebirths and old/aged Truebirths to these things. Hope they get 1 kill before they are anhiliated LOL.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 09 May 2014 - 08:16 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 09:06 AM

View PostMeiSooHaityu, on 09 May 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

I am a huge Hunchback fan, but that Hunch IIC was a deathtrap LOL. Sure dual A/C20s sound great in a Medium, but think about that...Weapons that BARELY fit in a 70 ton Jager or 65 ton Catapult, in a Medium... Yea, maybe 1 ton ammo, crap engine and hardly any armor in a Medium. There was a reason the clans Freebirths and old/aged Truebirths to these things. Hope they get 1 kill before they are anhiliated LOL.



I will admit that the Hunchback IIC is much more exciting as a new hard point setup and for having jump jet capability than it is for it's default load out. And you forgot to mention that it's too slow to take advantage of being such a glass cannon on top of it all.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 09:08 AM

I suspect one of the biggest ones they would want to put out would be the Kodiak, IIC mechs are mostly unseen in any case.
I doubt those are a high priority.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 02:01 PM

This is list all second line Clan mechs...
{if has date listed then mech is outside current game timeline}

Light 'Mechs
Baboon
Piranha
Snow Fox
Icestorm
Mandrill
Pack Hunter (3059)
Vixen
Horned Owl (Peregrine) **(would like to see in game)

Medium 'Mechs
Arctic Wolf (3059)
Corvis
Great Wyrm
Conjurer (Hellhound) **(would like to see in game)
Stalking Spider (3059)
Ursus (3059)
Vapor Eagle (Goshawk) **(would like to see in game)

Heavy 'Mechs
Glass Spider (Galahad) **(would like to see in game)
Hellfire (3058)
Matador
Predator (3060)
Thresher **(would like to see in game)
Fire Scorpion
Ha Otoko (3060)
Grizzly **(would like to see in game)
Black Python (Viper)

Assault 'Mechs
Canis (3058)
Blood Kite
Thunder Stallion
Supernova **(would like to see in game)
Stone Rhino (Behemoth) **(would like to see in game)
Kodiak **(would like to see in game)
Kraken

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 02:41 PM

View PostMeiSooHaityu, on 09 May 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

I am a huge Hunchback fan, but that Hunch IIC was a deathtrap LOL. Sure dual A/C20s sound great in a Medium, but think about that...Weapons that BARELY fit in a 70 ton Jager or 65 ton Catapult, in a Medium... Yea, maybe 1 ton ammo, crap engine and hardly any armor in a Medium. There was a reason the clans Freebirths and old/aged Truebirths to these things. Hope they get 1 kill before they are anhiliated LOL.

How could you not know a Jaeger is 65 tons aswell? Get off the forums and play more lol.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:08 PM

List of known Clan Invasion refit variants for captured 'Mechs. List does not include direct refits with no recordsheets, Wolf's Dragoons exclusive refits, pre or early clan variants manufactured in the homeworlds, or IIC variants. Sohlama and garrison troops in the Inner Sphere were often issued unmodified captured IS 'Mechs or they swapped out weapons on a one to one basis with extra weight going to ammo, armor, improved weapons (pulse lasers, larger missile launchers, or heavier autocannons), and/or heat sinks. Which ever was easier logistically for a given planet.

Assault:
Atlas AS7-D (C)
Victor VTR-9B (C)

Heavy:
Archer ARC-2R (C)
Marauder MAD-3R (C)
Rifleman RFL-3N (C)
Thunderbolt TDR-5S (C)
Warhammer WHM-6R (C)

Medium:
Shadow Hawk SHD-2H (C)

Lights:
N/A

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 09 May 2014 - 03:38 PM.


#18 xXBagheeraXx

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 07:57 PM

If i remember right a few of the IIC's (like the warhammer) are unseen or some such, so I dunno...

View PostKarmen Baric, on 09 May 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Supernova **(would like to see in game)


Supernova.....

I CAME.

Too bad about that ghost heat tho...she likely wont work.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 08:15 PM

View PostMeiSooHaityu, on 09 May 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

I am a huge Hunchback fan, but that Hunch IIC was a deathtrap LOL. Sure dual A/C20s sound great in a Medium, but think about that...Weapons that BARELY fit in a 70 ton Jager or 65 ton Catapult, in a Medium... Yea, maybe 1 ton ammo, crap engine and hardly any armor in a Medium. There was a reason the clans Freebirths and old/aged Truebirths to these things. Hope they get 1 kill before they are anhiliated LOL.


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