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[Ningyo]

TLDR


Seriously though I have to agree, Air and Arty are both rather too powerful in general though maybe drop them to 30 dmg shells and test. This would move them out of Headshot range unless you strip all the armor from it which is your choice. If this makes it too weak then raise the aoe by 5-10% or something to compensate.

[mogs01gt]

This happened to me on Friday night. I LoL'd then was pissed because it stripped my head armor!

Edited by mogs01gt, 12 May 2014 - 12:12 PM.

[LawDawg]

Ningyo, on 12 May 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

TLDR


Seriously though I have to agree, Air and Arty are both rather too powerful in general though maybe drop them to 30 dmg shells and test. This would move them out of Headshot range unless you strip all the armor from it which is your choice. If this makes it too weak then raise the aoe by 5-10% or something to compensate.

Getting a "Head Shot" on a mech is such a rarity.... Why change it. Cause the 2-5 (EVER) that had it happen to them came to the forums to QQ?

Ive been Caught DEAD center in more Arty/Air with my Atlai and Battlemaster..........and never once been taken out by head shot or killed. Chalk it up to RNG. Suck it up and move along.

Edited by SLDF LawDog, 12 May 2014 - 12:25 PM.

[Vanguard319]

Yeah, that happens when an artillery shell that does 40 dmg hits your cockpit, I lost a nearly undamaged leg in an artillery strike before. You want to know what the best fix is? Running from red smoke.

/thread

Edited by Vanguard319, 12 May 2014 - 12:37 PM.

[Koniving]

Steve Pryde, on 12 May 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

Fix this ****, thx for reading.

If it was an airstrike, that's an incredible thing because I can't hit a legged Atlas with one.

Now an artillery strike would be another matter entirely.

[InRev]

Pygar, on 12 May 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

Proposed new play mode: Mounted weapons on 'mechs only "shoot" candy and rainbows at people, one "base" in the center of match for players to have a cupcake and milk party together at. All "consumables" to be changed so that it makes kittens fall out of the sky like rain...soft, fuzzy, overly cute rain.

I'd buy that game.

No really, that sounds awesome.
















Don't hate.

[Eglar]

Steve Pryde, on 12 May 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

Fix this ****, thx for reading.

Too much content, TL;DR.

[Ultimax]

I like airstrike, if I know I'm outnumbered and going to die I just suicide rush and dump arty at all of our feet so everyone can join the party!

Haven't gotten a headshot yet.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 12 May 2014 - 12:30 PM.

[Pjwned]

Ghost Badger, on 12 May 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

I'm gonna post a "CT cored by a weapon!" thread next time I play, and then ask PGI to fix it.

Let me know when any other weapon system is a consumable item not limited by heat, ammo, tonnage, or crit slots and can do 400 damage in 1 shot from potentially infinite range placed behind a mech where they can't see it, oh and then after that let me know what other weapon system has even CLOSE to as much of a chance to get a headshot due to the way splash damage works, and then after that tell me how it takes skill to get RNG instant death headshots. When you can tell me how all of that is comparable to a single other non-consumable weapon system, then you can make that thread and be justified.

I would say something else but it would be redacted by mods.

[Fastwind]

Ningyo, on 12 May 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

TLDR


Seriously though I have to agree, Air and Arty are both rather too powerful in general though maybe drop them to 30 dmg shells and test. This would move them out of Headshot range unless you strip all the armor from it which is your choice. If this makes it too weak then raise the aoe by 5-10% or something to compensate.

^^ this
its about time
i seen a lot arty headshots
got headshoted by arty myself
its simply stupid to get killed by rng
especially when the best of this game is that there is almost no rng in it
ac40 jager/cats at least need a bit of skill (having the effective range,and rly aiming yourself for the tiny head hitboxes)
so reduce the direct dmg of the shells or just make them never hit the head

[AlmightyAeng]

Pjwned, on 12 May 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

Let me know when any other weapon system is a consumable item not limited by heat, ammo, tonnage, or crit slots and can do 400 damage in 1 shot from potentially infinite range placed behind a mech where they can't see it

You first...I wasn't aware that the 400 pt Airstrike had joined the legions of the 3-second Jenner and the 6 MG Spider.

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oh and then after that let me know what other weapon system has even CLOSE to as much of a chance to get a headshot due to the way splash damage works

Meaning the fact that it doesn't? They took splash out, actually. As for headshots, I've gotten far more using Gauss, AC20's, ERPPCs and PPC's and even LL's more than I ever have using airstrike.

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and then after that tell me how it takes skill to get RNG instant death headshots.

It doesn't. It takes luck. Now that you've suffered it once, I'm sure you're good for at least 6 more months.

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When you can tell me how all of that is comparable to a single other non-consumable weapon system, then you can make that thread and be justified.

Hmm...well...since it costs C-Bills just like all the non-consumable weapons in the game...I'd say it's comparable.

If headshots by arty or airstrike ever happen reliably or can be counted on to be effective directly proportionate to skill, c'mon back and I'll listen. Until then, you rolled a 1. It happens. Move on.

Edited by Ghost Badger, 12 May 2014 - 12:41 PM.

[mogs01gt]

SLDF LawDog, on 12 May 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

Getting a "Head Shot" on a mech is such a rarity.... Why change it. Cause the 2-5 (EVER) that had it happen to them came to the forums to QQ?

Ive been Caught DEAD center in more Arty/Air with my Atlai and Battlemaster..........and never once been taken out by head shot or killed. Chalk it up to RNG. Suck it up and move along.

you do realize how small the "head" is on an Atlas right?

[Pjwned]

Ghost Badger, on 12 May 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

You first...I wasn't aware that the 400 pt Airstrike had joined the legions of the 3-second Jenner and the 6 MG Spider.

Excellent argument, use a nonsense comparison to non-existent boogiemen and then dismiss it that way, don't bother refuting any of my points there because that's too much trouble!

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Meaning the fact that it doesn't? They took splash out, actually. As for headshots, I've gotten far more using Gauss, AC20's, ERPPCs and PPC's and even LL's more than I ever have using airstrike.

I was under the impression that splash damage was only removed from SRMs but kept for consumable strikes.

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It doesn't. It takes luck. Now that you've suffered it once, I'm sure you're good for at least 6 more months.

Do you want to tell me how it takes luck to get a headshot with other weapon systems or are you going to admit how your comment about getting cored by an actual weapon system is incredibly stupid?

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Hmm...well...since it costs C-Bills just like all the non-consumable weapons in the game...I'd say it's comparable.

It's comparable in the most tangential and irrelevant way possible, so keep grasping those straws.

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If headshots by arty or airstrike ever happen reliably or can be counted on to be effective directly proportionate to skill, c'mon back and I'll listen. Until then, you rolled a 1. It happens. Move on.

You're just proving my point by acknowledging how stupid it is to get a headshot with a consumable item.

[Screech]

This is new and exciting. This thread will be pretty much a color by numbers.

[AlmightyAeng]

Pjwned, on 12 May 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Excellent argument, use a nonsense comparison to non-existent boogiemen and then dismiss it that way, don't bother refuting any of my points there because that's too much trouble!

My point was that there is no 400-pt strike, genius. It's 40.

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I was under the impression that splash damage was only removed from SRMs but kept for consumable strikes.

No...from what I recall it's literally coded like a pair of AC20's dropping from the sky onto various sections of mechs in the strike area. No transfer of those 40 pts...but a number of projectiles are dropped.

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Do you want to tell me how it takes luck to get a headshot with other weapon systems or are you going to admit how your comment about getting cored by an actual weapon system is incredibly stupid?

No, actually. I'll tell you that good players get a fair amount of headshots on purpose, instead of due to a random, rare roll of the dice with a consumable.

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It's comparable in the most tangential and irrelevant way possible, so keep grasping those straws.

What? So you don't like it. Do you like flamers? Do you scream about those? You got headshotted by an RNG weapon...but it happens so rarely and is completely randomly produced that it's not terribly powerful...it's 99% more area denial than it is a kill-weapon.

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You're just proving my point by acknowledging how stupid it is to get a headshot with a consumable item.

No, I'm saying that if someone could reliably aim a 40-pt alpha directly into your cockpit with no heat, infinite distance etc...key word RELIABLY...then it would be stupid and OP. As it stands it's an annoyance, with the very occasional headshot. By no means is it overpowered...so your whole argument is basically just "I don't like dying to this why is it possible!!!!"

As that is your opinion, there's nothing to debate. I can just state that I think your opinion is silly and that I disagree with it.

[Pygar]

Pjwned, on 12 May 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

Let me know when any other weapon system is a consumable item not limited by heat, ammo, tonnage, or crit slots and can do 400 damage in 1 shot from potentially infinite range placed behind a mech where they can't see it, oh and then after that let me know what other weapon system has even CLOSE to as much of a chance to get a headshot due to the way splash damage works, and then after that tell me how it takes skill to get RNG instant death headshots. When you can tell me how all of that is comparable to a single other non-consumable weapon system, then you can make that thread and be justified.

I would say something else but it would be redacted by mods.

To be perfectly technical, Arty is affected by "slots" and is one shot per match, so it runs out of "ammunition" fairly fast....it also cost money to reload between matches, which most other weapons do not. Besides that, you have about as much chance of getting an arty head shot or dying from one as you do of winning the lottery.

I can understand if people complain about stuff that happens to them all the time, and/or if the situation is totally unrealistic...but we're talking about something that even people who use arty in every match don't see happen very often, and this is something that could totally happen if you shot a real artillery cannon at a "real" mech and actually landed a direct hit.

[101011]

SLDF LawDog, on 12 May 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

Getting a "Head Shot" on a mech is such a rarity.... Why change it. Cause the 2-5 (EVER) that had it happen to them came to the forums to QQ?

Ive been Caught DEAD center in more Arty/Air with my Atlai and Battlemaster..........and never once been taken out by head shot or killed. Chalk it up to RNG. Suck it up and move along.

In response to your anecdotal evidence, I will give my own. I once played a twelve man on Alpine, and we lost three 'Mechs to arty headshots. Take of it what you will.

[LawDawg]

mogs01gt, on 12 May 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

you do realize how small the "head" is on an Atlas right?

Yep, But ppl still cry about it,

[mdmzero0]

101011, on 12 May 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

In response to your anecdotal evidence, I will give my own. I once played a twelve man on Alpine, and we lost three 'Mechs to arty headshots. Take of it what you will.

Takeaway: Your luck sucked that match.

[LawDawg]

101011, on 12 May 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

In response to your anecdotal evidence, I will give my own. I once played a twelve man on Alpine, and we lost three 'Mechs to arty headshots. Take of it what you will.

Vids or it didnt happen. Take that for what you will.