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If both teams have lrm boats its about which lrm boat can farm the fastest.


If one team has ecm and the other doesn't, then there's a good but not complete chance the other team will lose if they have too many missile boats.

if one team has lrm boats AND ecm and the other has neither, then expect around a 4 minute game.

The lesson here? If you're not running lrm's or ecm you deserve the loss, scrub. Deal with it





Unless of course its a big map, then it takes a little longer.

Edited by Egomane, 07 May 2014 - 02:49 AM.

[Wolfways]

The other team didn't win because they had LRM's. They won because your team sucked.

[mogs01gt]

You could go even further and say two ecm equiped mechs can nullify an entire team equiped with BAP if positioned correctly.

3 tons worth of equipment can counter 18 tons worth of equipment.....interesting....

[Hans Von Lohman]

ECM doesn't bother me, and lots of my mechs have LRM's.

I use TAG. Never leave home without it. In fact, if a mech doesn't have an extra energy hardpoint to eqiup the TAG laser, I don't run LRM's. That is why my favorite heavy mech is the Orion Protector.

[Aeten]

LRMs have been ****** my Death's Knell to the point where I just don't play it anymore. You can call it bad playing or whatever but the fact is every time I take it for a spin I find myself getting cored by massive missile volleys right out of the gate. Then I use my Chicada-3M and suddenly there is no missile issue. I just run around and nothing happens; no missiles hit me.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Clearly the solution is to put as many LRMS on my AS7-D-DC as I can, right?

[Rhent]

Of course it could also be that the team without ECM did not have:
1.) LRM Boats equipped with an ERPPC used to easily hit ATL-DC mechs at range to disable their ECM and allow for quick LRM locks and firing
2.) LRM boats equipped with TAG that is used to eliminate ECM advantage
3.) LRM boats equipped with BAP to prevent scouts with ECM from preventing them from firing

I don't know, but my LRM50 STK-3H has an ERPPC and TAG and I don't notice the ECM problem as much as the OP.

[Kjudoon]

Battlecruiser, on 06 May 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

If both teams have lrm boats its about which lrm boat can farm the fastest.

annecdotal proof of nothing. Sorry man. This game was lost long before with LRMs being part of a greater whole.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: LRM mechs are like alligators. They are opportunistic hunters who get the unaware and careless.

When you watch tapes of successful 12man groups, you see almost no LRMs. In the matches I've been in, I faced a handful of teams that had more than 1 LRM mech, and only one of them won their match.

ECM is still OP in matches compared to LRMs when you consider the fact that 1.5 tons can cancel the main weaponry of a every LRM mech in the game unless they invest in far more counters to it in both weight, slots and hardpoints.

LRMs, are not the boogyman. They are not even totally comparable to the dominant ballistic builds of the day due to their slow speed, long arming range, high bulk and low damage percentages plus ease of counter.

This is just the way it is, and nobody is being fooled by complaints about LRMs being OP when they pilot with them and learn they are not the 'easy button' they claim when being honest.

[Flaming oblivion]

Dude it wasn't ther lrms your standing in the open at some points a few metres from cover standing still getting shot from all sides, as is your team.

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Flaming oblivion, on 07 May 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Dude it wasn't ther lrms your standing in the open at some points a few metres from cover standing still getting shot from all sides, as is your team.

no such thing as cover from lrm's, dood. DOOD.

[Kjudoon]

Battlecruiser, on 07 May 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

no such thing as cover from lrm's, dood. DOOD.

Obviously you've not run LRMs then. There's LOTS of cover from LRMs. Some more than others. The best cover maps are as follows:

Crimson Straits
Frozen City
River City
Forest Colony
HPG Manifold
Terra Derpa

All of those are great cover maps from LRMs.

Alpine Peaks
Caustic Valley
Canyon Network
Tourmaline Desert

These are the best LRM mechs. They all still have good amounts of cover, but you have to know how to recognize it.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Battlecruiser, on 07 May 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

no such thing as cover from lrm's, dood. DOOD.

Lolwut?

Cover is even more effective against LRMs than against FLD weapons, since they give you a warning and time to find cover even after the trigger is pulled, while ACs/PPCs/GRs just hit you and done. If you aren't capable of discerning the difference between cover and concealment, the fault is yours, not the mechanics of the weapon system. Even Alpine generally has enough real cover to keep you safe while you either wait for your snipers/lurms to suppress the enemy, or to make a flanking move and hit their lurms close-in (where that 180m minimum lets you laugh at them as you murder them).

PS - You can also back up. If you have an ERLL, a (ER)PPC, and AC2/5/10, a GR, or some combination thereof, you outrange those missiles. Simply stand at or around 1km and back up when they fire at you. Watch those missiles render themselves harmless at the 1km mark while you hit the enemy and he can't hit back.

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Kjudoon, on 07 May 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

Obviously you've not run LRMs then. There's LOTS of cover from LRMs. Some more than others. The best cover maps are as follows:

Crimson Straits
Frozen City
River City
Forest Colony
HPG Manifold
Terra Derpa

All of those are great cover maps from LRMs.

Alpine Peaks
Caustic Valley
Canyon Network
Tourmaline Desert

These are the best LRM mechs. They all still have good amounts of cover, but you have to know how to recognize it.

maybe if you're too stupid to reposition there's such a thing as lrm cover. Get Good.

[Kjudoon]

Battlecruiser, on 07 May 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

maybe if you're too stupid to reposition there's such a thing as lrm cover. Get Good.

Really? I run LRMs pretty much exclusively. I know precisely how irritating cover can be on what maps because I know what stops me from getting the kills. And because I know what areas tick me off, I know what to look for cover behind. Sometimes learning how to sit behind cover and actually USE it is what you need to do.

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Kjudoon, on 07 May 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

Really? I run LRMs pretty much exclusively.

First of all,

Spoiler

Second of all,

Spoiler

And Finally.

Spoiler

get good.

[Kjudoon]

I learned to play.

http://seraphimregim...397#pid=2628036

Now what?

[Lynx7725]

Really.

Is the LRM-complainers' default behaviour always going to be a tendency for personal insults?

Because it's tiresome. To the point where "L2P" is three wasted letters on them.

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Kjudoon, on 07 May 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

I learned to play.

http://seraphimregim...397#pid=2628036

Now what?

now do it in an organized setting vs a team that knows what they're doing.

[Kjudoon]

Ah... the goalposts move in this game. I'm done with you.

Edited by Kjudoon, 07 May 2014 - 08:47 PM.

[MortVent]

Battlecruiser, on 07 May 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

now do it in an organized setting vs a team that knows what they're doing.

Stop losing to puggers packing lrms....