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[SVK Puskin]

Vassago Rain, on 21 May 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

They don't operate that way. It's a company that builds high-performance laptops on demand. They have worldwide support, and offer up to 5 years of warranty, as well as lifetime technical support.

You order from their site, and should have it in two weeks.

Ah, ok thanks.

Kaeseblock, on 21 May 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

I can recommend the ASUS Republic of Gamers Series (well, at least the ASUS G750-JH, haven't tested the others yet).

+ they run pretty cool
+ high performance (MWO on High settings and still capped at 60FPS without drops)
- expensive (as is any gaming notebook)
- slightly oversized (detrimental to mobility)

The ASUS G750-JH costs above 1500€, but the G750-JW and G750-JX would fit your price category.
I advice you to read some test reports though, since they will perform worse than the G750-JH.

Ok thank you.

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Tahribator, on 21 May 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

I suggest going the custom route with Sager/Clevo as well. Don't pay unnecessary premium for Razer/Alienware/Asus G/MSI GT stuff.

Well i am thinking between Asus or MSI.

[SVK Puskin]

Guardian00, on 21 May 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

Yeah. Laptop + gaming is a defective mix.

Do your own gaming rig and buy a lap.

I need laptop becuase of the mobility, i am moving between my private room and parents flat back and forth.

[SVK Puskin]

Bront, on 21 May 2014 - 08:33 AM, said:

I've had really good luck with Asus laptops. My 4 year old laptop runs the game at min settings.

Just keep in mind, the mobile GPUs are underpowered, so they're a few steps down. It won't be as efficient money wise compared to a desktop, but it's also still a laptop, so you get added portability and a small form factor.
Something like this should be able to play MWO on high settings with good frame rates. Should be in your price range if I got my conversions right. Just search for the ASUS ROG G750JM-DS71 in your area.

Ok thanks.

[cSand]

Go Sager.

Build quality, support, and price is better than any other company I've dealt with, and I've dealt with a lot. And no I don't work for them or anything. I cannot recommend them enough. As a bonus, they don't look cheesy and you won't feel embarrassed to have it sitting in your desk.

Do not listen to people saying to just get a desktop, it is a common misconception. You can game just great on a laptop (My Sager is 55-60 FPS average on maxed out settings in MWO, with Vsync and direct x 11)

Edited by cSand, 21 May 2014 - 05:44 PM.

[Tremendous Upside]

I've been running this game on a refurbished ASUS G73SW from day 1. It runs it perfectly on a mix from medium to max'ed settings and hasn't so much as hiccupped in the 2 years I've had it. Even after marathon 30 drop nights... You can get faster, higher-performance models nowadays for sure (and definitely ones that don't weigh 11-12 lbs like mine does but it gets the job done... And then I can toss it into a backpack and go. Earlier ASUS models did have serious heat issues. I'd had an older G51VX -- used to get hot enough you could microwave a TV dinner at the left side exhaust port. No engineering there to manage the heat whatsoever... but their newer models aren't like that. The cooling system on mine is heavy duty. The laptop never gets hot at all, even if I'm overclocking or throttlestopping. It does bear mentioning though that if you do go the laptop route, do your research beforehand. A lot of them (even ASUS ones) will have quirks in the BIOS that'll cause them to underperform the hardware in order to soak out more battery life, etc. As if anyone actually runs these monsters off the battery in the first place?!

[Koniks]

I was in the same boat of needing a laptop for portability. I second getting a custom built system on an MSI, Clevo, or Sager chassis.

1500 euros should be plenty to get you a system with a decent i5 or i7 processor and a 700- or 800-series Nvidia GPU. I'm currently running one built on the MSI-GT60 chassis with an i7-4800MQ, GTX 780M, and 16GB of RAM. At 1080p resolution, with DX11 on, Very High settings and PostAA, I get 50-70 FPS on most maps and usually no lower than 40 FPS in taxing situations.

If you search for "Custom Built Laptops" you should find companies. Most of them are pretty reputable. I'd avoid Alienware and Falcon-NW because they're overpriced.

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cSand, on 21 May 2014 - 05:43 PM, said:

Go Sager.

Build quality, support, and price is better than any other company I've dealt with, and I've dealt with a lot. And no I don't work for them or anything. I cannot recommend them enough. As a bonus, they don't look cheesy and you won't feel embarrassed to have it sitting in your desk.

Do not listen to people saying to just get a desktop, it is a common misconception. You can game just great on a laptop (My Sager is 55-60 FPS average on maxed out settings in MWO, with Vsync and direct x 11)

Oh that is impressive. After some research i am starting to change my mind to buy a desktop but after your comment i am not sure.

[SVK Puskin]

Banky, on 21 May 2014 - 06:08 PM, said:

I've been running this game on a refurbished ASUS G73SW from day 1. It runs it perfectly on a mix from medium to max'ed settings and hasn't so much as hiccupped in the 2 years I've had it. Even after marathon 30 drop nights... You can get faster, higher-performance models nowadays for sure (and definitely ones that don't weigh 11-12 lbs like mine does but it gets the job done... And then I can toss it into a backpack and go. Earlier ASUS models did have serious heat issues. I'd had an older G51VX -- used to get hot enough you could microwave a TV dinner at the left side exhaust port. No engineering there to manage the heat whatsoever... but their newer models aren't like that. The cooling system on mine is heavy duty. The laptop never gets hot at all, even if I'm overclocking or throttlestopping. It does bear mentioning though that if you do go the laptop route, do your research beforehand. A lot of them (even ASUS ones) will have quirks in the BIOS that'll cause them to underperform the hardware in order to soak out more battery life, etc. As if anyone actually runs these monsters off the battery in the first place?!

Ok i keep it in my mind but i think i will buy a desktop. In 1 review they said that problem is with graphic cards becuase in comparison to their desktop versions the laptop GPUs are underpowered.

Mizeur, on 21 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

I was in the same boat of needing a laptop for portability. I second getting a custom built system on an MSI, Clevo, or Sager chassis.

1500 euros should be plenty to get you a system with a decent i5 or i7 processor and a 700- or 800-series Nvidia GPU. I'm currently running one built on the MSI-GT60 chassis with an i7-4800MQ, GTX 780M, and 16GB of RAM. At 1080p resolution, with DX11 on, Very High settings and PostAA, I get 50-70 FPS on most maps and usually no lower than 40 FPS in taxing situations.

If you search for "Custom Built Laptops" you should find companies. Most of them are pretty reputable. I'd avoid Alienware and Falcon-NW because they're overpriced.

Yeah Alienware is too expensive. I can not afford that.

[Catamount]

You can do pretty decently on a laptop, equal to at least the kind of reasonably upper-end desktop that can play most or all current games at max settings at 1080P with room to spare for the future. It's just a matter of price. I can get you there with a desktop for $1000 or less. A laptop is going to be $2000+ and still won't do as well often (lower clocked CPU, 20% or more)

For what Csand describes, I'd expect to pay around $1600-$1700 (from Sager, way more from most others), or what you'd get out of maybe an $800 desktop.


Basically, take this laptop

http://www.sagernote...del_name=NP8298

and with current deals, upgrade to either the R9 M290X or the 880M (880M is considerably faster, worth 15% more overall price tag imo), the 4810MQ CPU, either the 8GB dual channel or 16GB dual channel RAM (8 is fine for now for everyone, but 16 may become necessary later; use your own judgement)

Depending on how you go with the GPU and RAM, you're out between $1559 and $1874, 1784 if you want the GPU but not the RAM, the option I'd go with if you wanted to fall in the middle.

Again, this is for a laptop that can do something in the ballpark of what this desktop can do:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ONqR

That desktop is equal in capability in most respects to the most expensive configuration of the Sager build above. I say most respects, because the desktop has a 3.5ghz CPU instead of a 2.8ghz CPU (not counting turbos which are likely similarly far apart; the desktop one can go to 3.9 on a single core). Add $100 if you don't have a monitor. It's still literally half the price.

Now, this is not a very optimal desktop build mind you. I didn't strive for a best-for-the-money desktop; I aimed solely to replicate the above laptop. For only a few bucks more, you could add overclocking capabilities, enough to get a CPU into the mid 4ghz range. For moderately more money (~$200), you could double, yes double, that GPU's power (that would be an R9 290). Compare that kind of upgradeability to the laptop, where you have to pay $200 just to milk a 15-20% upgrade out.

I could mention SSDs, but either machine could accomodate one. I will note that the money you'd save going with a desktop will free up enough to add an SSD four to eight times over.


Now, I'm not saying either option is right or wrong. If you need mobility, you need it. I may get something like that $1900 laptop soon myself, but if things work out that way, I will actually NEED that mobility, as opposed to it merely being a minor convenience.


For you, it sounds like a minor convenience is exactly what that mobility is. You don't have to get an ATX case and board, either. Form factors as small as mini-ITX have come far enough to give you good mobility, while sacrificing nothing of your ability to house the components you want and do what yo want with them.

Let's not forget upgradeability either. Intel may not stick with the same sockets past the Haswell refresh, and upgrades in general will probably move very slowly from here on out, but in four or five years, you could replace your GPU and extend the machine's lifespan. On the laptop you'll just be SOL, and you'll be wanted that extra power a WHOLE lot sooner, so don't expect $1900 to carry you nearly as far on a laptop as $1200 would on a vastly more powerful desktop.

It's your choice, but those are your options and tradeoffs (I won't discuss reliability - hint: it goes to the desktop by far).

[BINDLETORC]

I have been ruining on Alienware for quite some time. I currently run an Alienware 18 and it runs any and all games. I am portable and up gradable.
Alienware systems offer great support and a variety of options from a price point of view. Although there are several other portable rigs that ooze awesomeness, Alienware support is too good and easy to pass by.
I highly recommend it.

[cSand]

Catamount, on 22 May 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

For what Csand describes, I'd expect to pay around $1600-$1700 (from Sager, way more from most others), or what you'd get out of maybe an $800 desktop.

Yep, pretty much bang on, $1600 CDN.

Specs are:
i7 4700mq
16GB DDR3
750GB 7500rpm HD + 128GB SSD (mSata, added myself, Adata SX300)
Radeon 8970m (same as R9 M290X) w/ 4GB DDR5 (desktop equivalent is approximately R9 270x / 7870)
Nice screen and backlit keyboard and stuff...
Best thing, flat black paint job, no flash. Can take it to work and not look like a jackass

Anyways, if you're gonna go desktop then you will get more performance for your money for sure. But you can certainly get some awesome laptops as well if you need one.

I will note that Sager has excellent support as well

Edited by cSand, 22 May 2014 - 02:50 PM.

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Catamount, on 22 May 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

You can do pretty decently on a laptop, equal to at least the kind of reasonably upper-end desktop that can play most or all current games at max settings at 1080P with room to spare for the future. It's just a matter of price. I can get you there with a desktop for $1000 or less. A laptop is going to be $2000+ and still won't do as well often (lower clocked CPU, 20% or more)

For what Csand describes, I'd expect to pay around $1600-$1700 (from Sager, way more from most others), or what you'd get out of maybe an $800 desktop.


Basically, take this laptop

http://www.sagernote...del_name=NP8298

and with current deals, upgrade to either the R9 M290X or the 880M (880M is considerably faster, worth 15% more overall price tag imo), the 4810MQ CPU, either the 8GB dual channel or 16GB dual channel RAM (8 is fine for now for everyone, but 16 may become necessary later; use your own judgement)

Depending on how you go with the GPU and RAM, you're out between $1559 and $1874, 1784 if you want the GPU but not the RAM, the option I'd go with if you wanted to fall in the middle.

Again, this is for a laptop that can do something in the ballpark of what this desktop can do:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ONqR

That desktop is equal in capability in most respects to the most expensive configuration of the Sager build above. I say most respects, because the desktop has a 3.5ghz CPU instead of a 2.8ghz CPU (not counting turbos which are likely similarly far apart; the desktop one can go to 3.9 on a single core). Add $100 if you don't have a monitor. It's still literally half the price.

Now, this is not a very optimal desktop build mind you. I didn't strive for a best-for-the-money desktop; I aimed solely to replicate the above laptop. For only a few bucks more, you could add overclocking capabilities, enough to get a CPU into the mid 4ghz range. For moderately more money (~$200), you could double, yes double, that GPU's power (that would be an R9 290). Compare that kind of upgradeability to the laptop, where you have to pay $200 just to milk a 15-20% upgrade out.

I could mention SSDs, but either machine could accomodate one. I will note that the money you'd save going with a desktop will free up enough to add an SSD four to eight times over.


Now, I'm not saying either option is right or wrong. If you need mobility, you need it. I may get something like that $1900 laptop soon myself, but if things work out that way, I will actually NEED that mobility, as opposed to it merely being a minor convenience.


For you, it sounds like a minor convenience is exactly what that mobility is. You don't have to get an ATX case and board, either. Form factors as small as mini-ITX have come far enough to give you good mobility, while sacrificing nothing of your ability to house the components you want and do what yo want with them.

Let's not forget upgradeability either. Intel may not stick with the same sockets past the Haswell refresh, and upgrades in general will probably move very slowly from here on out, but in four or five years, you could replace your GPU and extend the machine's lifespan. On the laptop you'll just be SOL, and you'll be wanted that extra power a WHOLE lot sooner, so don't expect $1900 to carry you nearly as far on a laptop as $1200 would on a vastly more powerful desktop.

It's your choice, but those are your options and tradeoffs (I won't discuss reliability - hint: it goes to the desktop by far).

Yeah i think i am going to sacrifice the mobility. Thank you for your comprehensive answer. I appreciate it!

BINDLETORC, on 22 May 2014 - 06:25 AM, said:

I have been ruining on Alienware for quite some time. I currently run an Alienware 18 and it runs any and all games. I am portable and up gradable.
Alienware systems offer great support and a variety of options from a price point of view. Although there are several other portable rigs that ooze awesomeness, Alienware support is too good and easy to pass by.
I highly recommend it.

That is out of my budget.

cSand, on 22 May 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

Yep, pretty much bang on, $1600 CDN.

Specs are:
i7 4700mq
16GB DDR3
750GB 7500rpm HD + 128GB SSD (mSata, added myself, Adata SX300)
Radeon 8970m (same as R9 M290X) w/ 4GB DDR5 (desktop equivalent is approximately R9 270x / 7870)
Nice screen and backlit keyboard and stuff...
Best thing, flat black paint job, no flash. Can take it to work and not look like a jackass

Anyways, if you're gonna go desktop then you will get more performance for your money for sure. But you can certainly get some awesome laptops as well if you need one.

I will note that Sager has excellent support as well

Thanks and i am decided to buy a desktop.

Thank you all who participated, you helped me a lot! Thank you again!

Edited by ENS Puskin, 22 May 2014 - 04:03 PM.

[Fitnessfun]

How about the Razerblade?


There are a lot more in your price range, so I've left a link below. Good luck.

http://www.squidoo.c...p-gaming-laptop

Edited by Fitnessfun, 10 June 2014 - 02:58 PM.

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Fitnessfun, on 10 June 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

How about the Razerblade?


There are a lot more in your price range, so I've left a link below. Good luck.

http://www.squidoo.c...p-gaming-laptop

Thank you for your reply but i will buy a desktop.

[Pirate2Ninja]

I have a very nice System 76 Bonobo gaming laptop that is about a year old and quite fast. Go for a desktop. I love my Bonobo, but when I was looking for my next computer I thought I might have to move around and wanted somthing to be able to cart around. I didn't and now my upgrade/repair options are smaller and much more expensive. Seriously, go for a desktop if you want a gaming machine.

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Pirate2Ninja, on 10 June 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:

I have a very nice System 76 Bonobo gaming laptop that is about a year old and quite fast. Go for a desktop. I love my Bonobo, but when I was looking for my next computer I thought I might have to move around and wanted somthing to be able to cart around. I didn't and now my upgrade/repair options are smaller and much more expensive. Seriously, go for a desktop if you want a gaming machine.

Yes i am decided for a gaming desktop already, thanks!