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[Icould]

http://mwomercs.com/...e-inner-sphere/

According to this June 17th is the date of the next big game module. Should you be telling us a little about what you've done so far regarding the June 17th patch? Are you on schedule? All we see from you is a constant barage of ridiculous mech sale cash grabs. For God's sake, please just close your business so someone else can finish the game properly.

Thank you,

Icould

[Koniving]

It's a bit clear they are behind schedule.
However, that apparently says Clan Invasion (the package release) on the 17th.

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Conservative Estimates:
- Association: July-Aug
- Planetary Conquest: Sept-Oct
Confidence is very high that worst case scenario is the completion of the entire Community Warfare feature set as we currently understand it by Early to Mid-fall.

Given that.. this seem marginally on time. Though they should be a bit more forward about info on the Clans as we get closer and closer to June.

Association is the very first aspect of Community Warfare, so its pretty clear that CW as of December, was not going to hit in time for the Clan package release, and instead Community Warfare going to happen between "July and August."

It's not when the launch party said it, but at the very least I can respect that Russ did put something out about when it would happen, and the dates stated were met. Even if the Launch Module's chosen 3/3/3/3 aspect has been a complete failure. I think PGI is learning how immensely complex the system they are using to make matches is getting.

That said, give them time. With a team of 45 people, they've taken way too much onto their plate and they need time to chew through it.

Edited by Koniving, 20 May 2014 - 10:30 PM.

[Icould]

Koniving, on 20 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

It's a bit clear they are behind schedule.
However, that apparently says Clan Invasion (the package release) on the 17th.



Given that.. this seem marginally on time. Though they should be a bit more forward about info on the Clans as we get closer and closer to June.

Association is the very first aspect of Community Warfare, so its pretty clear that CW as of December, was not going to hit in time for the Clan package release, and instead Community Warfare going to happen between "July and August."

It's not when the launch party said it, but at the very least I can respect that Russ did put something out about when it would happen, and the dates stated were met. Even if the Launch Module's chosen 3/3/3/3 aspect has been a complete failure. I think PGI is learning how immensely complex the system they are using to make matches is getting.

That said, give them time. With a team of 20 people, they've taken way too much onto their plate and they need time to chew through it.

20 people? You say that so non chalantly. What happen to the rest of the team Russ worked into that same State of the Innersphere?

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This past year Piranha has averaged mid 50’s in employees with 45 full time developers that spend their entire day working on MWO content and features.

--Russ Bullock

[Koniving]

Icould, on 20 May 2014 - 10:17 PM, said:

20 people? You say that so non chalantly. What happen to the rest of the team Russ worked into that same State of the Innersphere?

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- There is around 20 total staff working on content from maps, to `Mechs including hero, champion as well as skins and cockpit items. Remember all these staff do not contribute to features like CW and UI 2.0 they also do not drain away from those efforts

I used that, then skimmed down to community warfare.

[Torgun]

Koniving, on 20 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

That said, give them time. With a team of 45 people, they've taken way too much onto their plate and they need time to chew through it.

Frankly do we know for sure how many they are in total working on this game? Seeing the slow development pace, I would expect no more than 20 people working on MWO. And seeing how they manage to add more bugs with most patches, I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few are not very familiar with software design. The whole missile bug this last patch sounds like a classic rookie copy/paste mistake and forget to change the name of variables. Something you do and (should) learn from as you first get into software development.

Edited by Torgun, 20 May 2014 - 11:28 PM.

[Koniving]

Torgun, on 20 May 2014 - 11:17 PM, said:

Frankly do we know for sure how many they are in total working on this game? Seeing the slow development pace, I would expect no more than 20 people working on MWO. And seeing how they manage to add more bugs with most patches, I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few are not very familiar with software design.

This is much slower than normal. The pace largely has to do with a combination of the Launch Module issues combined with the entire assortment of upcoming weapon systems. Every "Clan" weapon is extremely different from the I.S. weapons.

The "20" people in art have been busy with random trinkets and paint jobs for Clan mechs, 3D models, etc., and any extras modifying ones like the Trebuchet. That ties up anyone and everyone to do with half of the map design.

The scripters are busy. This ties up the most important part of the map design, since unlike normal games the server's version of the map is entirely non-graphical. They're quite heavily at work obviously.

This leaves 7 people that Russ mentioned, internal testers. Definitely NOT enough to test anything major even with other developers participating. Hence the public testing on occasion and severe imbalances every now and then using regular players to test changes. For example the brief spike of LRM super speed? Testing.

Considering NGNG seems to have access before anyone else, its pretty obvious they are called upon to test as well. (How else would they have access to heroes to release videos on them 1 to 3 days before the patch?) But even NGNG isn't enough to truly test anything large scale like the 3/3/3/3 system.

Back on topic though. Every date I seen in Russ's post has been met. The only failure is the launch module; but even that is a partial failure as most of the module works. Just not the last minute changes they tried to put in with 3/3/3/3 which was a fool's errand to begin with.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Is the link showing CW progress actively updated?

http://www.mwomercs.com/theplan

Edited by I Zeratul I, 20 May 2014 - 11:59 PM.

[TheCaptainJZ]

That gets updated once a month by Bryan

[Kain]

They are always behind schedule...,
I think we won't see any real CW before Christmas.

If you can see on their Clan mech release schedule ,they will be releasing clan mechs until november, experience shows that they will be adding new features after that period

So maybe they will add something to see your loyalty points but don't expect something really fancy..

They are busy with Clan mechs, clan technology, matchmaker problems, UI 2.0, and after that a whole lot of balancing / hero mechs and cockpit items..

Edited by Kain, 21 May 2014 - 01:25 AM.

[spectralthundr]

Koniving, on 20 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

It's a bit clear they are behind schedule.
However, that apparently says Clan Invasion (the package release) on the 17th.



Given that.. this seem marginally on time. Though they should be a bit more forward about info on the Clans as we get closer and closer to June.

Association is the very first aspect of Community Warfare, so its pretty clear that CW as of December, was not going to hit in time for the Clan package release, and instead Community Warfare going to happen between "July and August."

It's not when the launch party said it, but at the very least I can respect that Russ did put something out about when it would happen, and the dates stated were met. Even if the Launch Module's chosen 3/3/3/3 aspect has been a complete failure. I think PGI is learning how immensely complex the system they are using to make matches is getting.

That said, give them time. With a team of 45 people, they've taken way too much onto their plate and they need time to chew through it.

With all due respect Koniving, we've heard this song and dance before. Remember when CW was weeks away from being implemented, only to be told on the date it was supposed to be coming that they hadn't even started yet? Yeah I do, meanwhile PGI continues to pump out Hero mechs and champion mechs and Overlord/Clan packages hand over foot.

I love Battletech, I was more than happy to go the founders route to support my favorite IP finally not sitting in a vault for a decade and finally seeng it get some love, but not like this, then we find out that some of the founders money went to other titles which should have been inexcusable. With one cash grab after another while actual content besides mechs that cost money never see the light of day. We haven't even gotten a new map in nearly 6 months. So I'd love to know what all those content makers are actually doing with all this time with very little to show for it beyond Hero mechs and cockpit items.

There's going to be a breaking point for every player where if CW does not see the light of day people are just going to move on to other games. PGI really needs to look at long term survivability rather than short term cash grabs.My breaking point is nearly up, if there's little to no progress on getting a planetary map and some form of CW ala MPBT:3025 in by the end of the year here, I'll likely be moving on to Star Citizen or just other titles in general until either time that PGI gets their stuff together, or Microsoft decides to stop treating the IP like a red headed stepchild and finally produces a full fledged Mech Warrior 5, and the way it's currently going, I certainly won't be holding my breath for either of those things to happen.

I would love to be proved wrong however.

[Torgun]

Kain, on 21 May 2014 - 01:25 AM, said:

They are always behind schedule...,
I think we won't see any real CW before Christmas.

I don't think we'll see CW, period. For CW to work we'd need enough players to keep a healthy base for all factions. Right now I can often play several games against/with a couple of players I recognize several matches in a row. Like maybe a year ago we could have had enough players to make it work, now I think the player base is simply too small. MWO for me is just and will always be a couple of matches with mechs, get some CBills and maybe pick up a new mech that tickle my fancy. Wishing (and paying) for anything beyond that I have no doubt will be setting yourself up for disappointment.

Edited by Torgun, 21 May 2014 - 02:00 AM.

[Modo44]

Koniving, on 20 May 2014 - 11:31 PM, said:

The pace largely has to do with a combination of issues with PGI management combined with IGP not putting enough money back into MWO.

FTFY

[Mr Blonde]

Torgun, on 21 May 2014 - 01:56 AM, said:

I don't think we'll see CW, period. For CW to work we'd need enough players to keep a healthy base for all factions. Right now I can often play several games against/with a couple of players I recognize several matches in a row. Like maybe a year ago we could have had enough players to make it work, now I think the player base is simply too small. MWO for me is just and will always be a couple of matches with mechs, get some CBills and maybe pick up a new mech that tickle my fancy. Wishing (and paying) for anything beyond that I have no doubt will be setting yourself up for disappointment.

At least they found time to put in 3PV though! That was really important to this simulator <vomiting into mouth slightly>. For the moment I'm sticking to my guns and not using my premium time until there's something to fight over on a map. I would be on all the time for that. Lately I've been on much less due to the repetitiveness.

[Koniving]

spectralthundr, on 21 May 2014 - 01:55 AM, said:

Your answers. CW, Clans, etc. 1.
Technical side. 2.

[Rhaythe]

Icould, on 20 May 2014 - 10:17 PM, said:

20 people? You say that so non chalantly. What happen to the rest of the team Russ worked into that same State of the Innersphere?

[Mystere]

Torgun, on 20 May 2014 - 11:17 PM, said:

Frankly do we know for sure how many they are in total working on this game? Seeing the slow development pace, I would expect no more than 20 people working on MWO. And seeing how they manage to add more bugs with most patches, I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few are not very familiar with software design. The whole missile bug this last patch sounds like a classic rookie copy/paste mistake and forget to change the name of variables. Something you do and (should) learn from as you first get into software development.

Actually, yesterday's "excitement" (to put things ever so mildly ) looks more like a version control and release management issue to me. It smells eerily similar to what happened earlier this year where I work while I was on vacation and as such was very much to my extreme annoyance. Well, needless to say, the offending party is now waiting on a decision to whether or not he still has a job.

[Vassago Rain]

They will update you on what you've purchased in 60 to 90 days.

[Xyroc]

EVERYONE "should" know its going to be just as exciting as "Launch Day" ... aka nothing going to happen. Though I bet a new "package" will be announced shortly after ...

[Lucian Nostra]

Don't worry about CW guys, the "War of the Inner Sphere" is 15% of the way done and will totally be played before the clans drop!!

oh wait..

http://mwomercs.com/theplan#1

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 21 May 2014 - 07:43 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

Icould, on 20 May 2014 - 09:07 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...e-inner-sphere/

According to this June 17th is the date of the next big game module. Should you be telling us a little about what you've done so far regarding the June 17th patch? Are you on schedule? All we see from you is a constant barage of ridiculous mech sale cash grabs. For God's sake, please just close your business so someone else can finish the game properly.

Thank you,

Icould

Did you happen to see yesterday's patch?

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