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[Dawnstealer]

Granted, all this goes out the window if the Grasshopper or Zeus drop, but otherwise, I kind of want a new Heavy. I'm debating between the Orion and Jager (since I've already ground up Phracts and Tbolts).

Any preferences?

[xMintaka]

The Jager is arguably better than the Orion, but I prefer the versatility of the Orion.

I'll put a vote in for the Dragon though, because they're awesome fun.

[Modo44]

Orion for a general purpose mech. Many builds and weapons fit and work on those.

Jager for guns. Lots and lots of guns.

Dragon if you want to finally learn how to mech.

[Dawnstealer]

Well, for reference, my other mechs are:

Locusts
Commandos
Jenners
Spiders
Cicadas
Centurions
Griffins
Wolverines
Shadowhawks
Thunderbolts
Cataphracts
Stalkers
Highlanders
Banshees
Atlases

So I've learned how to mech pretty well, I just want to add a third Heavy to the stable. That said? As a Steiner? I'd have to shoot myself if I piloted a Dragon.

Edited by Dawnstealer, 18 May 2014 - 09:37 AM.

[crossflip]

Edit: Saw your roster. Just get an Orion.

Edited by crossflip, 18 May 2014 - 09:38 AM.

[Ultimax]

I have no experience with the Orion outside of shooting at the them.

I finally XP'd out my Jagers over the double XP weekend and it was a blast.

It's is, in some ways, a glass cannon of the heavy class.


It has a huge torso, easily shot at if exposed and you will likely end up with an XL engine on most high firepower builds - but the high mounted gun-arms means with good positioning and patience you can often minimize that risk with cover.

If you enjoyed your Cataphracts, you will likely love Jagers. They can't fit as much due to tonnage, but what they can fit they make excellent use of due to consistently high firing opportunities (and therefore expose themselves to less incoming fire than all but the 3D due to that variant's JJs).


Dual Gauss, Dual AC 20, Dual AC 10 + MGs, Triple AC5/UAC5 are all builds you can run with the Jager.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 19 May 2014 - 05:45 AM.

[Xoxim SC]

I personally LOVE my Orion for brawling, LOVE IT! The mixed hard points make it an absolute blast, especially the Protector. I personally use the V, and the Protector, and will get the K once it goes on sale.

Jager is pretty fun too, not the most durable thing in the world, but overall a pretty fun mech. I generally run AC5/AC2 combo or AC5/ERLL on my Firebrand.

[DrSlamastika]

Dawnstealer, on 18 May 2014 - 09:36 AM, said:

Well, for reference, my other mechs are:

Locusts
Commandos
Jenners
Spiders
Cicadas
Centurions
Griffins
Wolverines
Shadowhawks
Thunderbolts
Cataphracts
Stalkers
Highlanders
Banshees
Atlases

So I've learned how to mech pretty well, I just want to add a third Heavy to the stable. That said? As a Steiner? I'd have to shoot myself if I piloted a Dragon.

YOU - owner of all those mechs, really need advice comon its a little bit funny.

Edited by DrSlamastika, 19 May 2014 - 06:27 AM.

[Uncleclint]

I got Orions and Jagers and can only say that BOTH of em are my absolute favourites to play in MWO. I´d go for the Orion first if i were you, a little tougher and more versatile when it come to equipping with weapons, but maybe you should start getting comfortable with the thought of adding the other heavy to your list as well.

[n r g]

Dawnstealer, on 18 May 2014 - 07:17 AM, said:

Granted, all this goes out the window if the Grasshopper or Zeus drop, but otherwise, I kind of want a new Heavy. I'm debating between the Orion and Jager (since I've already ground up Phracts and Tbolts).

Any preferences?

cataphract 3d

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Think of the Orion like a pocket Atlas. Watching my friends play in the Orions makes me want one myself.

[Alaskan Nobody]

JohanssenJr, on 22 May 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

Think of the Orion like a pocket Atlas. Watching my friends play in the Orions makes me want one myself.

That was what convinced me to get the Protector when it was on sale last.

Unfortunately that is a double edged sword there, because it has some of the negative sides of "being like the Atlas" as well as the positives.

It is very much like playing a smaller Atlas though: you are more mobile - but you have less armor.

[Bront]

I'd say Jagers, only because they play differently than the Altas. Get some variety, see how you like it.

[Vargralor]

I prefer to think of the Orion as the Hunchback's bigger brother. I have had some awesome games in my Protector. It is an awesome brawler. I've withstood engagements with multiple mechs where I was sure I would be crushed and come through with most of my armor still intact.

The Jagermech is fun too but it wont handle much incoming fire. It can put out tonnes of firepower and there are the fun dual guass and dual AC20 fits for laughs.

[kosmos1214]

iv run a ultra ac 20 in my jagger dd its a fun build if inpractical funny to watch an atlas run from you becuse they are geting beat up to much

[Koniks]

If you want to brawl, get the Orions. Be warned that they're temperamental. Their hitboxes aren't especially XL friendly and they move like a truck. Their torso-mounted ballistics and arm-mounted weapons are also all low-slung. That being said, they can hit hard.

The VA is a solid missile boat--kind of like a mini-stalker that can go upwards of 80kph with speedtweak. This is the only variant I'd use with an XL engine. While it only has 2 energy hardpoints, it does have a ballistic which can lead to some interesting builds. I'm partial to LRMishing/brawling with it between 180-400m with 2xALRM15, 2xStreak, AC/2, TAG, BAP.

The K has a good combination of 4 arm-mounted energy hardpoints and a torso ballistic. 4xML + AC20 is a solid build. Can also do a right-handed 2xPPC+AC20. I wouldn't recommend less than an STD300 engine, though.

While the V can also boat missiles, its unique feature is 2 torso-mounted ballistics. You can pair up AC5s, MGs, or go crazy with dual LBX-10

I didn't buy the M but it comes with some of the upgrades pre-installed, so it's probably the best value. I wasn't impressed with its hard point layout but it can run the same right-handed AC20+2xPPC loadout as the K.


If you want to snipe, hill-hump, dual gauss, AC40, or just put a ton of ballistics downrange, get the Jagers.

Edited by Mizeur, 22 May 2014 - 09:53 PM.

[TVMA Doc]

Modo44, on 18 May 2014 - 07:28 AM, said:

Orion for a general purpose mech. Many builds and weapons fit and work on those.

Jager for guns. Lots and lots of guns.

Dragon if you want to finally learn how to mech.

Don't forget that the Jager is blessed with high mounted weapons. Not only are those hard points capable of loading ballistics, they are high enough up to be nearly in the pilot's line of sight (simplifies targeting) and high enough to avoid the inevitable "can't shoot the enemy without hitting the hill between us".

That is an intangible that makes a lot of difference in reality.

[Koniks]

One other note: the Orion's arms are also comically tiny and the hit box stops below the shoulder, leaving the side torsos completely exposed from the flank. They can't be used to shield the side torso much at all while you have them, which might also not be that long anyway.