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[Ransack]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 May 2014 - 07:22 AM, said:

Actually TWO of us.

Make that three. I don't regret what I bought. I just see no reason to keep buying.

[Jenny Winters]

Hello. I dont usually post in the forums (I think this is my second honestly. The first I know was a Q i asked at the now defunt Ask the Devs), but still I would like to give my support to the OP and frustrations he and others have voiced in this thread and every threads that continously appear where fans of BT and MW voiced their hurt at the state of what MWO is.

There was genuine hope at the start that MWO could be 'it'. I remember the sales pitch, "A day in MWO is equvilent to a day in real life. Make your very own MW story as you always wanted with hundreds of thousands of MW fans as BT history unfolds before you..." The DEVS even tried with lore immersions in the forums where periodically posts would be put up that on today such a such a day in BT universe, an historical event has just happened... I missed those posts. But disappointment after disappointment after disappointment from PGI has made support for MW franchise ever so hard. I can go far as to say PGI is the worst thing to happened for MW, notwithstanding Microsoft letting such a unique license collect dust for more then a decade.

I understand the hurt coming from OP and other countless fans of BT/MW on their islands. The frustrations and disappointments are genuine. It was the early 90s, the one season only Battletech animated series that got me hooked to the BT universe. And my favourite MW game will always be MW2: Mercenaries. So people could probably guess my age (though a lady never reveals her age. )

I salute those here with forum badges and those who spent quietly on MCs to support the MW IP/franchise, to what is essentially currently an overpriced buggy deathmatch only mode still in open beta level of development game. It shows how a loyal a fanbase can be taken advantage of.

I tried the forum given advice of taking months long hiatus and checking back to MWO several times these past 2 years plus. I will probably give MWO another break once clan mechs drop in June. I salute those who pay what eveyone can honestly agree is an overpriced deal, to spend money as the prices demanded on a game at a state it is in. There are honestly sincere fans of BT/MW who wants the MWO project to succeed inspite of PGI's avalanche of shortcomings. Still the same as much as I love piloting my Dragon, I dont like the prospect of being steamrolled in june just because I chose not to buy a clan package. And I have a feeling a lot of players who chose not to buy clan mechs will take a break from MWO on june as well.

I do however plan to come back and check on MWO in NOV/DEC. I'm guessing the initial shock of clan mechs and clan tech should have faded somewhat with at least some patches of buffing/nerfing taken place to make things balanced and hopefully fun.

So I guess that's the real advice to address the OP is to take a break. The hurt,disappointment and frustrations from us fans who care are genuine. MWO honestly could have been 'it', should have been 'it'. The mismanagement by PGI has been throughly mindnumbing. (Sorry PGI. I tried to be supportive since and through 'open beta' and 'launch' but the continual failures in terms of game development have been too glaring to overlook)

Salute again to those who stay, inspite of PGI. What I've learnt though all of this is that the BT/MW fanbase are as loyal as they come. Salute. o7

On a positive note. Star Citizen is honestly looking very promising. Maybe it could be 'it'. (Though I really still want MWO to be) See everyone in the battlefield, months from now.

Edited by Jenny Winters, 22 May 2014 - 09:24 AM.

[spottiedogman]

Been a supporter since closed beta, Legendary and Overlord and I had bought the full clan pack minus the gold BS but have requested and received a refund, just can not justify spending anymore with the direction things are going. It's a shame since this could be a great game!

[Corvus Antaka]

it is

[Ordellus]

The answer is -> By all the gods yes.

[AntharPrime]

Bilbo, on 22 May 2014 - 07:14 AM, said:

I have no regrets regarding my purchases.

Rather Dashing, on 22 May 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

WELL THAT MAKES ONE OF US.

Joseph Mallan, on 22 May 2014 - 07:22 AM, said:

Actually TWO of us.

Ransack, on 22 May 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

Make that three. I don't regret what I bought. I just see no reason to keep buying.

That would be 4 here. I don't regret paying $380 across 2 accounts to support something that can have potential and PGI's vision is even now still very promising. There was a point back at the start of the new year that gave me a bit of hope again so I bought a Clan package too. I just don't see myself spending any more money on this.

I really wanted to join up with a group to play but was cautious at first since I didn't want to join a group only to see people leave, since people can be fickle with online games. Unfortunately I've seen groups dwindle away and nobody I know has kept playing MWO so quite frankly there is no social aspect in this game for me which is very important.

I will keep playing but much less often. I just feel disenfranchised that when so many important features need to be introduced we are still seeing PGI mired in basic game features for the last 2 years.

Edited by AntharPrime, 22 May 2014 - 09:20 AM.

[XX Sulla XX]

Bottom line for me is I still enjoy the game. And I buy things when it will help me enjoy the game more. As free to play games go this one is not really very expensive.

[Dimestore]

Ransack, on 22 May 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

Make that three. I don't regret what I bought. I just see no reason to keep buying.

I came to a similar conclusion shortly after running around in my Phoenix mechs for a while. I wasn't angry, it was just that I had gotten bored with the stale game-play.

On the upside, I have been having fun again since private matches came out. Not raucous amazing fun, but enough that I'm back playing occasionally after several months of checking nothing but patch notes.

Private matches outsource to the community:
- Matchmaking configuration
- Team play
- Tournaments
- Organized play

Community driven organized play has the real possibility to make community warfare a reality. Marik already had some of that going before private matches. The new MWO lobby website has the capability of expanding that. Finally, the community is able to drive these aspects of the game: something the community has proven very capable of for literally decades.

Hax

[Dimestore]

AntharPrime, on 22 May 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

That would be 4 here. I don't regret paying $380 across 2 accounts to support something that can have potential and PGI's vision is even now still very promising. There was a point back at the start of the new year that gave me a bit of hope again so I bought a Clan package too. I just don't see myself spending any more money on this.

I really wanted to join up with a group to play but was cautious at first since I didn't want to join a group only to see people leave, since people can be fickle with online games. Unfortunately I've seen groups dwindle away and nobody I know has kept playing MWO so quite frankly there is no social aspect in this game for me which is very important.

I will keep playing but much less often. I just feel disenfranchised that when so many important features need to be introduced we are still seeing PGI mired in basic game features for the last 2 years.

Check out some of the community leagues. I was already involved with Marik before I became bored so it's been easy for me to pick it up again. There is also "Run Hot or Die" and one other that I am blanking on right now.

http://marikcivilwar.enjin.com/
http://housemarik.enjin.com/
http://www.runhotord...forum/forum.php

There is also a promising project that might let the community create community warfare so we don't have to wait for PGI to get there:
https://mwolobby.com/

Hax

[Lyoto Machida]

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

I'm with you Astrocains, i too have been around the block quite a few times with BT. I was incredably excited about this and all its promises over TWO years ago... But two years of Hero mechs, an elo that will only let you get so far away from 50\50 W\L which also means you will never have the excitment of actually capping a planet is starting to wear on my affection for this game.

I mean they cant even code the game correctly at this stage. A perfict example, I was shooting a DC Rav from point blank range standing still and no damage... 3 times i shot him in the same place and no damage.. i then started shooting other parts to finaly kill him. There are tomany weird things like this going on for me at this stage of the game.

I will prob be going to SC on the 29th when they install the combat portion of the game... and that will be a sad day for me starting a new game.

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 06:03 AM, said:

Its a valid point, one I even did for a month. And I personaly am not saying I am gone for good. But like i said its been over two years now that I have stuck with this game even with all the bad ideas that were not tested first... remember when Artums was put in? yo want to talk about one shotting mechs.. that was just crazy. But I stuck with it, it seemed like they were trying. Now it just seems like all they care about is making money and not making a great game that people will talk about years after it is gone.
This could have been Wing Commander or Red Alert.. or even Battletech. But instead its just another shooter.

I feel like the OP and the other guys that feel the same way...not enough to leave just yet but I don't really spend money on this anymore (whereas I would have been fine spending $15-$30 a month on it in the past).

Love how they did the logo change to remind everyone this is a Battletech game (or supposed to be).

Don't worry, we'll have Wing Commander soon enough (or something close to it).

[Sable]

I just don't personally understand all the doom saying about MWO and how its not what a real mechwarrior game is supposed to be like etc... I guess its because i'm saving my judgement for a completed game. What i mean by this is full community warfare, Solaris VII, Starmap, Mechs, Mechs and more Mechs, all the bells and whistles. These last few weeks MWO has seemed a little slow but thats because i have all the mechs i like right now until clan mechs. But MWO has so much more to go before its a complete game and i'm ok with playing it in bits and pieces until it gets to that point. I understand its being developed while i'm playing it, and i'm happy to go along for the ride.

If you don't like the direction the game is going then don't support it financially, other people that do like it will take your spot. The game will evolve over time and you may find later that everything worked out for the best.

As an example i really like the "concept" of Eve online yet i find the game to be incredibly mundane and boring. I like giant spaceships and the idea of fighting it out with other people yet every time i give Eve another chance i'm instantly reminded of all its lost potential. Its been out for 10 years and i still feel like it is in it's Beta build. But there are people that love Eve exactly how it is.

If you enjoy something then keep putting money into it, if you don't like it then i think the choice is pretty clear. It doesn't cost anything outside of time to keep playing mechwarrior. The last time i bought anything was about 5 months ago when i purchased a clan pack and some MC. I still have about 7k of MC left i'm saving for a cool hero mech or something. So technically you could say i stopped financially supporting PGI 5 months ago even though i play almost every day.

Edited by Sable, 22 May 2014 - 10:52 AM.

[Tom Sawyer]

What I spent I do not regret. I just expected more by now. So I am done throwing away cash on click n kill.

IF PGI can step and keep some promises, make this what i can and should be, then I might spend more.

Many other games in the pipeline. I will give my money to those.

[Mawai]

Rather Dashing, on 22 May 2014 - 07:24 AM, said:

THIRTY DOLLARS WAS THIRTY TOO MANY, IN HIND SIGHT. I CANNOT BEGIN TO COMPREHEND HOW CHEATED THE OVERGOLDS FEEL AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME'S DEVELOPMENT.

GOD FORBID THEY WENT AND SPEND ANOTHER +200 DOLLARS ON A CLAN PACK. NO GAME IS WORTH THAT MUCH MONEY, AND EVEN IF YOU HAVE THAT MUCH DISPOSABLE INCOME PUT IT TO SOMETHING USEFUL LIKE ALCOHOL OR HARD DRUGS.

lol .. to be honest, I almost completely disagree with you.

I'vve spent about $230.00 altogether over 2 years. I've played the game and had fun with it. I can afford it. End of story really.

Could the game be WAY better than it is now? YES in my opinion.
Has PGI failed to invest properly in development? Again YES, in my opinion.
Has PGI made some braindead design decisions and generally demonstrated an inability to plan and estimate the implementation time for features? YES.
Is this frustrating? YES

Is MWO a terrible game? NO, in my opinion.
Did I get ripped off or regret the money I have spent on the game? NO.
Will PGI get any more money from me before demonstrating the ability to design, develop and deliver critical features in a complete and timely way? NO.

If it turns out that I want a clan mech I will pay cbills or buy MC then ... I don't need the packages even if they might save me 20% ... I probably would not have bought the specific packaged mechs in any case.

If PGI can deliver on the Launch module ... then I might consider a clan package ... I said that in January ... but the delivery of the launch module is currently looking like an epic fail ... they have known about queue issues since the feedback thread to Paul's 3/3/3/3 proposal if not before ... and they are currently running 3 weeks behind and burning time they need for the next feature ... they pushed out UI2.0 in a half-finished state with very poor UI work flows to keep it "on schedule as promised" ... the Launch module can't be foisted on the community in the same sort of state since folks will quit if it is DOA with extreme queues.

Time will tell ...

[AntharPrime]

Hax DB Header, on 22 May 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

Check out some of the community leagues. I was already involved with Marik before I became bored so it's been easy for me to pick it up again. There is also "Run Hot or Die" and one other that I am blanking on right now.

http://marikcivilwar.enjin.com/
http://housemarik.enjin.com/
http://www.runhotord...forum/forum.php

There is also a promising project that might let the community create community warfare so we don't have to wait for PGI to get there:
https://mwolobby.com/

Hax

Thanks for the links but I'm a Lyran until they pry my burnt corpse out of my Atlas.

[Khobai]

Problem with PGI is they have really warped priorities. And nobody is going to stick around for 2 years for them to get it sorted out.

For example how much time have they spent d*cking around with ELO and 3/3/3/3? Features the community never even asked for. All we ever asked for was simple tonnage matching, which we still dont have.

And then theres CW... being prioritized over core fundamentals like working SRMs? CW shouldve been completely off the table at least until we had a working matchmaker and SRMs...

And I dont even want to get into role warfare and how the lack thereof adversely affects the long-term monetizaton of this game (no reason to buy new mechs when theyre ALL the same).

Edited by Khobai, 22 May 2014 - 11:08 AM.

[Toothless]

"I Am Seriously Wondering If My Money Is Better Spent Somewhere Else. "

1st world problems dude. Of course it is, give it to a reputable charity.

[VXJaeger]

Meh, we finns just decided to drop Canadians out from World Hockey Champioship tournamet 'cause of PGI's policy of weapon balancing

[Splatshot]

VXJaeger, on 22 May 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Meh, we finns just decided to drop Canadians out from World Hockey Champioship tournamet 'cause of PGI's policy of weapon balancing

Perfect.

[Ransack]

Khobai, on 22 May 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

Problem with PGI is they have really warped priorities. And nobody is going to stick around for 2 years for them to get it sorted out.

For example how much time have they spent d*cking around with ELO and 3/3/3/3? Features the community never even asked for. All we ever asked for was simple tonnage matching, which we still dont have.

this needed to be repeated.

[Lyoto Machida]

Sable, on 22 May 2014 - 10:31 AM, said:

I just don't personally understand all the doom saying about MWO and how its not what a real mechwarrior game is supposed to be like etc... I guess its because i'm saving my judgement for a completed game. What i mean by this is full community warfare, Solaris VII, Starmap, Mechs, Mechs and more Mechs, all the bells and whistles. These last few weeks MWO has seemed a little slow but thats because i have all the mechs i like right now until clan mechs. But MWO has so much more to go before its a complete game and i'm ok with playing it in bits and pieces until it gets to that point. I understand its being developed while i'm playing it, and i'm happy to go along for the ride.

If you don't like the direction the game is going then don't support it financially, other people that do like it will take your spot. The game will evolve over time and you may find later that everything worked out for the best.

As an example i really like the "concept" of Eve online yet i find the game to be incredibly mundane and boring. I like giant spaceships and the idea of fighting it out with other people yet every time i give Eve another chance i'm instantly reminded of all its lost potential. Its been out for 10 years and i still feel like it is in it's Beta build. But there are people that love Eve exactly how it is.

If you enjoy something then keep putting money into it, if you don't like it then i think the choice is pretty clear. It doesn't cost anything outside of time to keep playing mechwarrior. The last time i bought anything was about 5 months ago when i purchased a clan pack and some MC. I still have about 7k of MC left i'm saving for a cool hero mech or something. So technically you could say i stopped financially supporting PGI 5 months ago even though i play almost every day.

What good is it to PGI if they have a player base that plays all the time but doesn't spend any money? Sure, players are content but money talks in the end.

You really think all the CoD players they were trying to attract have spent more money than the diehard BT fans have/would have spent? No way to ever answer that question but I see more Founders on the forums dissatisfied than ones defending PGI. Sure, it's subjective but that doesn't even take into account the Founders that have left.

This playerbase isn't big enough for whatever it is they're trying to do. Should have retained the diehard players and built the game up from their...that's neither here nor there now though. Many long time players are too jaded now over all the BS pulled by PGI.

All I see nowadays are patches that don't do much (if they don't break the game) and new mechs. Can't wait to see the crying over these Clan mechs if the Clan package buyers aren't satisfied with the end result. Will still play the game but don't have very high hopes for it anymore.