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[KittenKrusher Prime]

On one hand i think we have a targeting system that is lenient especially for the LRM community who benefit from targeting data they shouldnt even be getting from other mechs unless there is a C3 command module on the battlefield and said LRM equipped mech is carrying a C3 slave.

on the other hand we also have an ECM system that if it is infact representing the innersphere Guardian ECM should cloack the equipped mech and disrupt systems such as Artemis IV and all C3 computer networks as well as NARC missile beacons and even goes so far to effect the Beagle Active Probe. It does not however have an effect on the ability of an LRM or Streak SRM system to lock and engage targets.

Even though the short coming of both systems at first sound like they balance each other out, there are far more mechs that can Equip LRMs and Streak as opposed to mechs that can carry ECM and ALL mechs in MWO have the equipped at no cost to tonnage or space both the C3 master and slave Targeting computers which i believe (correct me if im wrong) the clans did not possess or have any interest in.

As for Clan ECM they based thier version off the Guardian ECM so other than being lighter like most clan equipment seems to be i believe it functions in exactly the same manner so ultimately the advantage of blocking guided weapons that the guardian is not supposed to posses will be transfered to the Omnimechs equipped with ECM, that said i believe that Only Onimechs that had a canon variant equipped with ECM should be able to carry it.

Edited by Sharrowkyn Crow, 30 March 2016 - 06:30 AM.

[Xadhoom]

Sennin, on 28 May 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

I must have missed that conversation, where is the official reference, you got a link to it?

Here you go! Check out the stuff under "OmniMech Rules and Limitations". Note that only armor type is restricted, not the amount of it.

[Kodiak Jorgensson]

as much as id love to see a clan ECM capable mech... I feel there's too much reliance on ECM at the moment, it still needs to be brought into line with other equipment before they add more capable mechs, ok there's counters but TAG requires LOS a constant button press (unless you macro it) and a good eye to use it, where as ECM requires no interaction from the user at all except to change from disrupt to counter which never happens.

[PeeWrinkle]

I don’t think any Clan mechs will have ECM, at least at the beginning. I think they will get it once the Inner Sphere (IS) starts to mix Clan tech on their mechs.

The reason I think this is that when the Clans first invaded the IS they were all about honor in combat. They had strict codes of conduct. They would only fire on one opponent at a time and would not focus fire. Once a Clan mech engaged an IS mech they fought it solo. It was also common for them to low bid on tonnage against one another because victory with less gained more prestige. Obviously that will not be the case in the game, so they will have to find ways to keep game balance. I guess they could make clans use 10 mechs (2 stars) instead of 12 mechs (3 lances), but I have not heard anything like that, to help with game balancing.

I think ECM will be one of those items that gets left off of clan mechs, also the changing of Clan tech to make it less powerful than it was in TT is something else they are doing. Regardless of that Clan tech is still going to be far superior that IS tech until the IS starts to salvage Clan tech and use it. I think as the game goes on PGI will start implement Clan weapons for use on IS mechs, when that happens Clans will probably get ECM.

That would also correlate with the lore because over time the IS started to win victories because they would focus fire, use guerilla tactics, and generally fight dirty to ensure their survival. As the IS started to close the tech gap the Clans started to become less honorable in combat and started fighting more like the IS.

Just my thoughts

[KhanCipher]

Edward Mattlov, on 27 May 2014 - 08:47 PM, said:

Neg, it must be the Timber Wolf "Pryde" variant. Why do you think PGI added the Timber Wolf Alt-S? So that they could make a hero version of the "Pryde" variant without people crying "pay to win".

even though the Pryde is very redundant considering that you can pretty much get the same mech if you get the C and use the S torsos, and Prime arms. And then we have the Dire Wolf Widowmaker which has (in MWO terms) 3 energy siting in the CT/HD, then because with PGI saying how omnis will work we're going to see a lot of P2W accusations on the widowmaker.

Edited by KhanCipher, 29 May 2014 - 11:50 AM.

[LeKrisser]

In the Clans, the Guardian ECM suite was used as the basis for an improved ECM Suite. This system can be found in every Clan's touman. They weigh a single ton, and can be mounted on nearly anything.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/ECM_Suite

Edited by LeKrisser, 16 June 2014 - 04:38 AM.