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[Ursh]

People love to claim how they never die to lrm boats.

Somehow I keep on getting kills on ac/ppc mechs I catch on a flank, with TAG and direct LOS. Chain firing 50 ALRMs disrupts their aim, and they typically die or get shredded while retreating before they do too much significant damage.

Biggest problem I run into is when a premade meta focuses on me because I'm the only person on my team not playing like a coward.

[Fut]

NameNotAvailable, on 25 May 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

I can do it, same as everyone else, stand at the back of the map, wait for the token light to poke his head around the corner, target, hold down lrm-tard button, wait for next target.

Taking pop shots at Light Mechs with LRMs?
There's no way you're holding your own if this is your LRM Tactic.
(Perhaps, and hopefully, you meant that you wait for your Light to get you a target)

LRMs are in a good place at the moment.
It no longer feels like dead weight to carry 1x LRM10 into battle - they've come in handy for me quite a few times.

Edited by Fut, 26 May 2014 - 11:47 AM.

[Theres Flont]

Counter for it is ACM's, saw a medium Mech with 2 slotted, so he gets most of the incoming missiles. he also had 4 or 5 medium lasers and a speed of like 133 MPH. Been playing alot of Hunchbacks, who can also slot ACM. ;0 I guess if you have too many incoming missiles ACM isn't going to save you, but it helps.

Call me silly but I kind of like the missile "Catapolt" Boat.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

The real question is "why is everyone using the exact same thing on the same side?" The answer is... too much of anything in MWO is fairly broken unless you mean flamers. Hell even Mguns are vicious now when you pile them on.

Edited by lockwoodx, 26 May 2014 - 01:18 PM.

[Spr1ggan]

Corwin Vickers, on 25 May 2014 - 05:15 PM, said:

Focus on helping your team win more often than it loses. This will raise your Elo.

Then you will be out of Elo hell and you won't see very many LRMs.

Profit

Not true. I drop in matches that a lot of the time contain high elo players on both sides and there are still multiple LRM boats every game.

[Arcturious]

Pretty much every match during the tournament has been LRM boats. I'm hoping that things go back to normal after the tournament.

The queue was sitting at 50% assaults, 30% heavies and 10 / 10 for lights and med's. Nearly every one of those assaults were LRM boats.

It's an easy way to get kills and damage during the tournament so that's why people are spamming them.

It's already old though after only 3 days. REALLY hoping it's a temporary situation as nothing worse than these LRM matches where both teams sit around for 15 minutes doing nothing but trading LRM volleys. I frankly have much better things to do with my time.

[Ngamok]

It's just like the end credits for X-Men. The Apocalypse.

[Reptilizer]

NameNotAvailable, on 25 May 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

I keep trying, I keep coming back to the game after a couple of months away, time and time again, because the core gameplay was so awesome 18 months ago, and occasionally it's still great.

but in the last week? why is EVERYONE spamming lrms? its so DULL

I can do it, same as everyone else, stand at the back of the map, wait for the token light to poke his head around the corner, target, hold down lrm-tard button, wait for next target.

why would anyone want to play this way? I genuinely don't get it? How is this fun?
when it was a couple of lrm boats per team, you could use cover, equip ecm or ams, there were things you could do.

now? I've died within 3 seconds of breaking cover 4x tonight. in Heavies... with full armor...

so dissapointed, I don't play an lrm boat, the key is in the sentence, I don't PLAY an lrm boat. I can DO it, but it's not PLAYING, its WORK. I play this game for fun, I don't get the fun of lrm boating, and now that everyone is doing it, theres no fun in the rest of the game.

I guess I finally see why my friends stopped playing. I'll check in a couple of months, but I think I've finally lost all hope. Farewell.

I also am obviously in ELO hell and see LRM-based teams quite often.
Regardless of the usual rules (use cover, stay together with the AMS mechs etc.) here are four possible outcomes to such encounters:

• My team got competent lights going for harrass and we have LRMs by ourselves. The enemy is scouted well and the LURMers duke it out. Usually a win for me.
  
• We got good ECM cover. Only very few LRM-based teams work with competent spotters. So having ECM cover on two/three mechs makes LURMstorm irrelevant.
  
• My team is metabuilds, actually communicates and realizes the enemy is LRM-heavy. We storm the boats. 1 or 2 of us die during the storm, but the LRM boats get ripped up hard. Usually a win.
  
• None of the above, my team is ridgehumping and taking potshots at the enemy. We die. Horribly in a hail of missiles.

Really, the biggest problems with LRMs is missing communication in PUGs. Nearly every time we did not have the outfit to duke it on range and decided to storm, the LURMers died. Move as the blob or with a flanking lance and those boats die fast.
LRM boats punish cowards.

[Ursh]

Had a shocking game on canyon network last night. I was in my lrm boat, but playing with a unit member because I don't care about tournaments. We had 7 LRM boats, and I was the only one working angles and getting TAGs+ volleys. The other six guys literally just stood behind the ridge waiting for other people to get locks for them so they could make it rain.

We got slaughtered because the other team was ecm/sniper heavy, and when I was the only guy making any effort to spot my own targets, I of course got chewed up pretty quick. I was pretty infuriated by the blatant cowardice/laziness of the other six lrm boats.

[Lynx7725]

Ursh, on 27 May 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

We got slaughtered because the other team was ecm/sniper heavy, and when I was the only guy making any effort to spot my own targets, I of course got chewed up pretty quick. I was pretty infuriated by the blatant cowardice/laziness of the other six lrm boats.

Not all LRM Boats are driven by LRM specialists. Some are just wannabe, thinking it's easy points and money. It happens. Getting angry over it won't stop it.

Just make sure when you see a Wannabe LRM Boater on the other team, sink it good with your own LRM wetwork.

[Kassatsu]

Personally when I take my battlemaster out (4xLRM10+artemis, TAG, 3mlas, BAP because ECM lights, and enough ammo to conquer a small country), I try to keep line of sight on targets so I can use my TAG effectively, if not no big deal, I'll hope people on my team can hold a lock for four consecutive seconds. If there's ECM I'll TAG even more aggressively on exposed enemies. It's a fun build, but even without the TAG effort it's kind of... Simple to play for the most part. I suppose you could do 2x PPC or something and be reasonably decent, but without the ballistics of the other variants, it's a missile boat. I play it when I'm tired of trying to actually do anything and just want to press 1-2-3-4 to chain fire them. It's actually pretty entertaining to watch the entire enemy paperdoll flash non-stop until you lose your lock or one of you dies. And it's not even a 6xLRM5 (did those get ghost heat yet?) catapult.

LRM boating is a valid tactic, though when a weekend event means everyone starts using them, even those that have no business attempting it (contrary to popular belief, it IS possible for an LRM boat to be 'good' or 'bad' at their job)... Then there's a good chance something's wrong with the game.

lockwoodx, on 26 May 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

The real question is "why is everyone using the exact same thing on the same side?" The answer is... too much of anything in MWO is fairly broken unless you mean flamers. Hell even Mguns are vicious now when you pile them on.

Run a 6xMG JM6-DD. See how that works for you. Now, do 4xMG 2xLBX10 and then we're talking, that thing is nasty.

[Black Ivan]

As ong as the meta is so da LRM boats and poptarts will never vanish. PGI has to take a hard look at ALL weapons for balance sake.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Cuz its easy as hell? Stand at a distance, lock, fire...lock, fire...lock fire.....

Player bases are useless lazy ******** looking for the cheapest and cheesiest way to win.....

LRms are that way in this game.

[Heiggwinie Halberstadt]

I use LRMs more often because I tend to not be good at pin point shooting. I mostly just play with my three friends and I support their ability to do pin point shooting while I distract the enemy with incoming missle warning messages.

[Joseph Mallan]

Davers, on 25 May 2014 - 06:08 PM, said:

Plus nothing kill steals like an LRM boat.

Weren't you FRR before?

No such thing as a kill steal. Its all just confirmation.

[Artillery Witch Viridia]

Really? All lrms. My friend told me don't bother with MM during the tournament because it's still broken and all poptarts.If it isn't VTR/CTF/HGN/SHD/Lights it's hardly played. The only landbound mech that is even relatively played now is The BNC/Misery if it isn't a DDC. Pinpoint is king.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Corwin Vickers, on 25 May 2014 - 05:15 PM, said:

Focus on helping your team win more often than it loses. This will raise your Elo.

Then you will be out of Elo hell and you won't see very many LRMs.

Profit

Yep, it's important to graduate from LRM hell to PPC/AC hell. Remember, there is always a more frustrating hell to move up to.

BTW. I don't know what ELO bracket a 2.0KDR slots a person at, but that is where I am now and I was in LRM hell a couple nights ago. I am not sure the whole "get into a better ELO slot" applies.

I'm not claiming to be a great player, but I am sure I am better than the lower ELO brackets. I am pretty sure the LRM hell is extending across all ELO brackets.

[dario03]

Yeah I don't know where this "raise your elo, see no evil...errrr I mean LRMs" comes from. MM just makes teams while trying to average out elo, so it is perfectly possible to have low elo with high elo on the same team. Sure maybe if you end up in only high elo matches you might see less LRMs but pure high elo matches might not even be that common (actually I'm pretty sure they are not). And even if you end up in a game with nothing but high elo players you could still see LRMs. It's not like all high elo players refuse to use LRMs and all low elo players only use LRMs.

[Lynx7725]

Pretty much what I think. You are first and foremost grouped into the player pool by the time you log on, if you are the only high ELO player, you're going to be placed with a bunch of less experienced players no matter how high your ELO is, because the MM will relax its constraints until it finds you a game.

Conversely, if you are the only low ELO player in the player pool at the time... good luck.

[Ngamok]

Ursh, on 27 May 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

Had a shocking game on canyon network last night. I was in my lrm boat, but playing with a unit member because I don't care about tournaments. We had 7 LRM boats, and I was the only one working angles and getting TAGs+ volleys. The other six guys literally just stood behind the ridge waiting for other people to get locks for them so they could make it rain.

We got slaughtered because the other team was ecm/sniper heavy, and when I was the only guy making any effort to spot my own targets, I of course got chewed up pretty quick. I was pretty infuriated by the blatant cowardice/laziness of the other six lrm boats.

I know some people who will not move from the back of the line playing their LRM boats. Me on the other hand, you'll find me always in the middle somewhere because LRMs are more effective the closer you are (unless you are staring at giant hills they can't go over).