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[Vodage]

How has anyone not noticed this?

All champion mechs get a bonus to torso pitch/yaw speed.

That's pay 2 win. No argument, no question.

The solution? Use LRM//Streaks.
They're the weapon which relies least on your torso movement speed.

Bloody ridiculous.

Next, give hero mechs more back armour, higher projectile speed, & shorter beam time on lasers, and you'll be going along with the same theme you've got here.

[Egomane]

How is that new player help again?

Moved to general discussion!

Edited by Egomane, 29 May 2014 - 06:44 AM.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Checking the Smurfy reference sheet. I've not seen a single champion mech with different stats than the mech it is based on.

What sources do you have to support this claim?

[EyeOne]

Champions don't have turning rate increases that I'm aware of. SOME Hero mechs have turning rate bonuses that come at the cost of something else usually. Some Heroes have worse turning rates than other variants.

[Galenit]

Vodage, on 29 May 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

How has anyone not noticed this?

All champion mechs get a bonus to torso pitch/yaw speed.

That's pay 2 win. No argument, no question.

The solution? Use LRM//Streaks.
They're the weapon which relies least on your torso movement speed.

Bloody ridiculous.

Next, give hero mechs more back armour, higher projectile speed, & shorter beam time on lasers, and you'll be going along with the same theme you've got here.

Heromechs that can take weapons the cbills ones of that type cant take are allready more then boderline p2w.

What you discoverd is just a little more color in the picture they allready showed us.

Edited by Galenit, 29 May 2014 - 06:51 AM.

[Bulletsponge0]

Don't stock champions only turn faster than their stock counterparts because they have bigger engines? Can't you put that same engine in the base variant and get the same turning?

[Rhaythe]

The Yen Lo Wang and the La Malinche both have a greater torso twist. In most cases, the hero variant has a reduced twist angle.

[Ultimax]

Vodage, on 29 May 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

How has anyone not noticed this?

All champion mechs get a bonus to torso pitch/yaw speed.

That's pay 2 win. No argument, no question.

You need to provide proof, because smurfy's mechlab reference disagrees with you.

[CeeKay Boques]

Guys I think he meant to post in what he thought was the "I'm New, need help" section, but its been moved.

[Triordinant]

Champion 'mechs have exactly the same quirks as the stock 'mechs they're based on. Methinks the OP meant Hero 'mechs but said Champion by mistake. Even so, as EyeOne mentioned not all Hero 'mechs have this advantage and a few Heroes actually have worse torso speed, pitch and/or yaw than other variants.

[Vodage]

My reference is the bloody mech lab. Look at the torso speeds. I'm not blind or high, I just know how to read. Don't take everything you know off a third-party site. The in-game UI is terrible, but if we are to assume that the charts are correct, ALL champion mechs are getting bonuses to torso movement speed, over their non-champ counterparts.

Just hover your mouse over a champion mech in the mech lab, and read the torso speeds. NOT THE ANGLE. THE SPEED.
Angles are unchanged (not reduced at all) and speeds are increased. Pay. To. Win.

Triordinant, on 29 May 2014 - 06:56 AM, said:

Champion 'mechs have exactly the same quirks as the stock 'mechs they're based on. Methinks the OP meant Hero 'mechs but said Champion by mistake. Even so, as EyeOne mentioned not all Hero 'mechs have this advantage and a few Heroes actually have worse torso speed, pitch and/or yaw than other variants.

OP meant Champion.

[Merrick]

but he didn't ask for help or even form it like a question. It was a rant placed there to drive off new players, thus moved to GD.

Edit: Spelling

Edited by Merrick, 29 May 2014 - 06:58 AM.

[Bulletsponge0]

Vodage, on 29 May 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

My reference is the bloody mech lab. Look at the torso speeds. I'm not blind or high, I just know how to read. Don't take everything you know off a third-party site. The in-game UI is terrible, but if we are to assume that the charts are correct, ALL champion mechs are getting bonuses to torso movement speed, over their non-champ counterparts.

Just hover your mouse over a champion mech in the mech lab, and read the torso speeds. NOT THE ANGLE. THE SPEED.
Angles are unchanged (not reduced at all) and speeds are increased. Pay. To. Win.



OP meant Champion.

Because the champions have bigger engines. Take the game engine out of the champion, put it in the base mech, and the twist speed will he identical

[Bhael Fire]

Vodage, on 29 May 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

My reference is the bloody mech lab. Look at the torso speeds. I'm not blind or high, I just know how to read. Don't take everything you know off a third-party site. The in-game UI is terrible, but if we are to assume that the charts are correct, ALL champion mechs are getting bonuses to torso movement speed, over their non-champ counterparts.

Just hover your mouse over a champion mech in the mech lab, and read the torso speeds. NOT THE ANGLE. THE SPEED.
Angles are unchanged (not reduced at all) and speeds are increased. Pay. To. Win.

You gonna be ok?

[Ihasa]

Vodage, on 29 May 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

My reference is the bloody mech lab. Look at the torso speeds. I'm not blind or high, I just know how to read. Don't take everything you know off a third-party site. The in-game UI is terrible, but if we are to assume that the charts are correct, ALL champion mechs are getting bonuses to torso movement speed, over their non-champ counterparts.

Just hover your mouse over a champion mech in the mech lab, and read the torso speeds. NOT THE ANGLE. THE SPEED.
Angles are unchanged (not reduced at all) and speeds are increased. Pay. To. Win.



OP meant Champion.

Seeing as champion builds are makeable through c-bill purchases (since they are community created, all you need is said chassis and equivalent upgrades/updates) this is not P2W. Certainly one can get them for mc too if one is short the needed space bucks. Pay for convenience, not pay to win.

[EyeOne]

Vodage, on 29 May 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

My reference is the bloody mech lab. Look at the torso speeds. I'm not blind or high, I just know how to read. Don't take everything you know off a third-party site. The in-game UI is terrible, but if we are to assume that the charts are correct, ALL champion mechs are getting bonuses to torso movement speed, over their non-champ counterparts.

Just hover your mouse over a champion mech in the mech lab, and read the torso speeds. NOT THE ANGLE. THE SPEED.
Angles are unchanged (not reduced at all) and speeds are increased. Pay. To. Win.



OP meant Champion.

Champs come with upgraded Engines that make twist speed faster. If you put the same engine in a Cbill variant of the same mech all things will be equal.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Vodage, on 29 May 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

My reference is the bloody mech lab. Look at the torso speeds. I'm not blind or high, I just know how to read. Don't take everything you know off a third-party site. The in-game UI is terrible, but if we are to assume that the charts are correct, ALL champion mechs are getting bonuses to torso movement speed, over their non-champ counterparts.

Just hover your mouse over a champion mech in the mech lab, and read the torso speeds. NOT THE ANGLE. THE SPEED.
Angles are unchanged (not reduced at all) and speeds are increased. Pay. To. Win.



OP meant Champion.

Engines change twist speed. Do both mechs have the same engine?

Champions usually feature better equipment than stock. The chassis however are the same.

Also, I'm pretty sure Smurfy pulls its info from the client.

Edited by Rouken, 29 May 2014 - 07:10 AM.

[Harathan]

Vodage, on 29 May 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

How has anyone not noticed this?

All champion mechs get a bonus to torso pitch/yaw speed.

That's pay 2 win. No argument, no question.

The solution? Use LRM//Streaks.
They're the weapon which relies least on your torso movement speed.

Bloody ridiculous.

Next, give hero mechs more back armour, higher projectile speed, & shorter beam time on lasers, and you'll be going along with the same theme you've got here.

And you're taking into account the difference in engine sizes, yes? Of course you must be. You know how to read, after all, and you're not blind or high.

Edited by Harathan, 29 May 2014 - 07:07 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Well this escalated and was batted back down quickly.

[Vodage]

Alright, you win. So engines increase twist speed? I'm glad this amazing UI forces me to make a rant to get all this secret information not shown anywhere ingame.