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[Maggiman]

Good thing the OP gets a quadcore either way.
The P4 has a horrible performance from today's perspective, because his IPC is terrible (Instructions per clock).

[NocturnalBeast]

Get the fastest multi-core CPU that you can afford.

[Vassago Rain]

GTX 770.

[Odins Fist]

Pastor Priest, on 02 June 2014 - 06:18 PM, said:

Cpu Recommendations

Well, if money is NO issue, go with a high end intel i7 CPU, with decent RAM (2133mhz).

If money is an issue I guess the FX-6350 and a mild overclock to 4.2 ghz and see how it goes.

Personally, after many years with AMD CPUs, I decided to drop in favor of intel..

Edited by Odins Fist, 03 June 2014 - 11:56 AM.

[Pastor Priest]

focuspark, on 03 June 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

Good timing on the upgrade. Wait for this, then buy the generation before. Basically, you should see a $100 discount on today's generation by end of the month.

http://www.pcworld.c...-processor.html

Seriously? I can expect to find a 4670 for about $150, then? I'm just finding that hard to believe, as I'm seeing used 2500Ks going for about $130-$140 on eBay. But, if so, that's awesome.

[Goose]

Soooooo what's involved with getting a used CPU up and running? You've got a line on the right motherboard already? That used, too? Heatsinks for a LGA 1155 are a non-issue, but what about RAM? You're not triple-channel, so I guess any ol' DDR3-1600 would be fine …

Still: A used K? Overclocking wares things out, you know …

[Pastor Priest]

Goose, on 04 June 2014 - 04:11 AM, said:

Soooooo what's involved with getting a used CPU up and running? You've got a line on the right motherboard already? That used, too? Heatsinks for a LGA 1155 are a non-issue, but what about RAM? You're not triple-channel, so I guess any ol' DDR3-1600 would be fine …

Still: A used K? Overclocking wares things out, you know …

Yes, because I don't think I can find a new second gen. At least, I haven't been able to so far.

But, you're kind of missing the point I'm trying to make. $100 off of new 4670 due to the new gen seems great, but I'm skeptical, because such a discount would put a new, 4th gen. CPU at the same market value of a used 2nd gen. CPU. What I'm trying to decide is should I wait until the end of the month because these discounts are legit, or should I just keep searching as I'm doing now?

[xWiredx]

Goose, on 04 June 2014 - 04:11 AM, said:

Still: A used K? Overclocking wares things out, you know …

My highly-overclocked 2600K (5GhZ under a Corsair H50 max, daily OC is 4.4GhZ) shows no signs of wearing down after however long I've had it (since Sandy Bridge launch day).

[Goose]

xWiredx, on 04 June 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:

My highly-overclocked 2600K (5GhZ under a Corsair H50 max, daily OC is 4.4GhZ) shows no signs of wearing down after however long I've had it (since Sandy Bridge launch day).

And of course anybody who'd upgrade from Sandy Bridge for another 10% IPC was as careful as you, with a working concept of a "24/7 OC" …

[Bullseye69]

If you happen to have a micro center near you you can pickup a Intel I5 4670K for under $190.

A friend sold me his motherboard then called me up 2 days after and sold me his intel I7 4770K and a carbide air 540 case.

I went from a amd 640 chip and playing low and 1240 res to playing 1600 res and high and loving it.

Any Intel I5 series would be good a good starter is the 4670 or the new slower 4590 which is not a unlocked chip.

Anyone of those would fix you right up.

http://www.newegg.co...oductList.aspx?
Submit=ENE&N=100007671%20600436885%20600005579&IsNodeId=1&name=Core%20i5&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20


As far as motherboard a z87 or the new z97 mother board would do running a gigabyte z87 OC board.

Pickup some gskill 2133 memory and your done.

I don't know what you have for video card but I running a R9 270X but if I had a do ver I would have picked up the R9 280( rebranded 7950 that plenty of power right and you can always added a second one if needed.

[Maggiman]

Anecdotal evidence is just as useless as saying "I hadn't my hand blown up from creating nitroglycerene, it's totally safe!".
As long as you KNOW what has been done with that cpu you get a good idea if it will last. So don't buy used hardware from strangers
Or buy new and have no (little) worries =)

[Mawai]

Just a couple of comments ...

1) MWO definitely runs better on at least a quad core. It is floating point intensive as well. Folks with dual cores used to have major issues with running MWO.

2) MWO has some sort of issue with AMD FX8 processors. This may be due to its need for floating point operations and the fact that AMD FX processors have one floating point unit in each CPU module (2 cores). This means that unless the code has been optimized for the AMD processor you can get performance slow downs as 2 cores in one module try to use the floating point unit. (at least that is how I understand the issue). Some people have worked around the problem by either disabling cores or setting the affinity of the MWO process to one core/module to avoid/minimize this issue.

3) I play MWO at 30 to 50 fps using an AMD Phenom X4 965 at stock speeds and a Radeon 6970 graphics card (3 to 4 year old hardware at this point). So those who say AMD processors can't play MWO are incorrect.

4) That said ... it comes down to cost/performace ... a new intel i5-4670k might be quite expensive ... certainly an i7-4770k is really expensive ... and it becomes a decision on which processor will give you sufficient performance for the amount you want to spend. If you can get an i5-2500k at a reasonable price with a modern motherboard that you can upgrade later that might be something to consider - the i5-2500k was a very popular processor. On the other hand, Intel likes to change chipsets so I am not sure what upgrade paths might be available.

[Lord Letto]

if $150 is your Max budget and looking for Price/Performance, then toms recommends the i3-4130 on the Intel side ($109.92 on Amazon) or the FX-6300 on the AMD Side ($118.49 on Amazon).
if you can bump your budget up to $200 then the i5-4570 is recommended ($196.97 on Amazon)

Edited by Lord Letto, 04 June 2014 - 01:19 PM.

[Catamount]

CPUs are sufficiently reliable that I see no great risk in purchasing a used chip. I've abused the hell out of processors, for years on end, without causing damage to them. In fact, it's probably the only component I've never had fail after working, not the Athlon 64 3700+ I ran at 3ghz from 2005 to... well it's still going, or the i7-720QM that's been run at 90C+ for hours on end day after day for the last four years, or the Athlon II X2 in my parents rig that not only ran reasonably OCed (from 2.8ish to like 3.5), but spent like 2 years with dried out thermal paste that was so bad, the CPU not only was hitting 40-50C at idle, but trying to get the heatsink off to replace it ripped the CPU out of its socket while it was still "locked" down, bending half the pins, which was still fine after I bent them back and still works today.

Yes, a badly OCed used chip will have less life than a new chip. Will it likely not last a reasonable quantity of time, long enough for you to get MORE than enough use to warrant the budget spent on it? No, not likely. It's only very rarely and in extraordinary circumstances that I even hear of failures of working CPUs, let alone see them.

[Thorqemada]

I rarely buy used components, i remember 2 used CPUs i bought from strangers and 1 failed 3 months after purchase, the other still runs today (AMD K6-133).

I prefer the other way - i buy new for 100% and sell old for 50%.

[Pastor Priest]

Well, that deal from Micro Center does seem pretty nice. Will it get any better if I wait until 5 gen. is released at the end of this month?

[xWiredx]

Pastor Priest, on 05 June 2014 - 05:34 AM, said:

Well, that deal from Micro Center does seem pretty nice. Will it get any better if I wait until 5 gen. is released at the end of this month?

Eh? Intel Core 5xxx chips aren't coming at the end of June, if that's what you're saying. With Haswell refresh chips already out, the enthusiast overclocker-specific "Devil's Canyon" chips coming out next, and the extreme Haswell chips coming out in August/September, there's nothing really coming to knock down the price any further. Broadwell chips aren't coming until Q4 2014, and I'm not sure if that will be mobile-only or not.

[Goose]

Pastor Priest, on 05 June 2014 - 05:34 AM, said:

Well, that deal from Micro Center does seem pretty nice. Will it get any better if I wait until 5 gen. is released at the end of this month?

Maybe? http://www.tomshardw...tray,26556.html

[Hougham]

last year I built a super low cost PC for a friend with a cheap as chips AMD A4-5300. To my shock it ran MWO at a relatively playable pace. Though i suspect it would not be happy with the new updates on MWO. But anyhow on a low cost system AMD gets my vote. Also as people have said used is not always bad. Just don't buy then of plebs. Look for good feedback or good forum reps for used sellers.

[Goose]

Catamount, on 04 June 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

CPUs are sufficiently reliable that I see no great risk in purchasing a used chip.

Chris Angelini, on June 10, 2014 2:00 AM said:

When I first started writing for Tom’s Hardware, I was all about pushing peak overclocks at settings I knew wouldn’t last long. Anything for those big numbers, right?

Over the years, I’ve heard from too many readers with processors and graphics cards that worked great six months ago, but aren’t stable at stock settings anymore. Now, I feel that it’s more important to dial in sustainable clock rates, enjoyable under any workload. When I talk to system builders (the guys who want to overclock, but also have to honor a warranty on their configurations) the discussions get more honest and I figure out which settings are expected to hold up over time.

Emphasis mine …

Edited by Goose, 10 June 2014 - 07:31 AM.