114 replies to this topic

[MisterPlanetarian]

Khobai, on 08 June 2014 - 10:53 PM, said:

the VTR is more robust than the Atlas because of JJ, not hitboxes.

Haha. No.

Jump Jets lets you get out of a tricky spot, but they don't let you tank any better unless the guy shooting you is slow.

Edited by MisterPlanetarian, 08 June 2014 - 11:15 PM.

[Khobai]

Quote

Jump Jets lets you get out of a tricky spot, but they don't let you tank any better unless the guy shooting you is slow.

Completely wrong.

The whole reason poptarting is the dominant meta is because jumpjets allow you popup and fire with minimal exposure.

Not only that but when youre jumping theres a much higher chance of getting hit in the legs. So it allows for your legs to mitigate a significant portion of the incoming damage.

The smaller hitboxes certainly help. But the biggest reason is jumpjets.

[MisterPlanetarian]

Thats not tanking, thats evasive maneuvering.

Tanking is your ability to absorb damage as it lands, the Victor has very good torso and arm hitboxes which lets it spread out damage much more effectively than an Atlas.

Edited by MisterPlanetarian, 08 June 2014 - 11:25 PM.

[El Bandito]

It is easier to hit a select Atlas torso than that of Victor's, simply due to size difference. Now that's a fact.

Edited by El Bandito, 08 June 2014 - 11:33 PM.

[Khobai]

Quote

Thats not tanking, thats evasive maneuvering.

Its the same thing. In MMORPGs, tanking by not getting hit is commonly referred to as evasion tanking. As opposed to mitigation tanking which is tanking by stacking damage reduction. If an enemy fires at you and misses 50% of the time its the same end result as if the enemy fired at you, hit, and you reduced the damage by 50%. Tanking is tanking, doesnt matter how you do it. Even light mechs are masters of evasion tanking and amusingly tougher than most assault mechs because of it.

Quote

It is easier to hit a select Atlas torso than that of Victor's, simply due to size difference. Now that's a fact.

I would argue its just as easy to hit a Victor in the torso if its not jumping around. The Victor's torso is not small enough to be difficult to hit. Jumpjets however are instrumental to poptarting and can help mitigate damage away from the torso sections or prevent damage from being done altogether (if you jump higher than the enemy can pitch upwards). More often than not, a Victor without jumpjets will die faster than an Atlas, simply because the Atlas has way more armor and probably ECM.

Edited by Khobai, 08 June 2014 - 11:44 PM.

[Lily from animove]

Hmm, well the only way to answer this is:

Do you like your beer in bottles or fresh from the barrel?

Spoiler

vs

Edited by Lily from animove, 14 June 2014 - 12:46 PM.

[Damocles69]

lol it cant

timber wolf wins

RIP summoner
june17 2014-june17 2014

[KodiakGW]

SgtMagor, on 05 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

just wanted to clear something up, Does the Summoner have 360 torso twist in MWO?

According to Smurfy - 100 degree torso. Now if it had 130 like the Stormcrow, or even 120 like the Cicada, I'd be spending some real money. Nothing like being able to cover the rear flank at full speed, or pot shotting chasing lights.

BTW - Timber has 90 degree torso according to Smurfy.

[XX Sulla XX]

It has fixed jump jets in the legs so has more room in the torso for larger weopons.

[Koniks]

XX Sulla XX, on 17 June 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

It has fixed jump jets in the legs so has more room in the torso for larger weopons.

But less free tonnage available for them.

[XX Sulla XX]

Quote

But less free tonnage available for them.

Yes but you still have options you did not have with the Timber Wolf.

[Tremendous Upside]

XX Sulla XX, on 17 June 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

It has fixed jump jets in the legs so has more room in the torso for larger weopons.

More room for weapons - yes. But not a lot of safe places to store ammo. Yeah yeah, CASE is there... But the bottom line is that if you run a Summoner with UAC20 in the chest, your ammo will either have to be in the left torso (with one slot free in CT) or spread all over and in the arms (which will help pop the weapons there blow up that much more quickly). If you do put the ammo in the left torso, case or not, all someone has to do is pop that component and you're down to whatever you have in the right arm. It should be relatively easy to build a Summoner that'll wreck faces offensively - but this mech seems to have glass cannon written all over it.

[Bobzilla]

Size matters, espically with burst acs. Timberwolf seem like a nice big target.

[ShadowWolf Kell]

KodiakGW, on 17 June 2014 - 07:27 AM, said:

According to Smurfy - 100 degree torso. Now if it had 130 like the Stormcrow, or even 120 like the Cicada, I'd be spending some real money. Nothing like being able to cover the rear flank at full speed, or pot shotting chasing lights.

BTW - Timber has 90 degree torso according to Smurfy.

With the C RT it can reach 100 degrees.

[Koniks]

XX Sulla XX, on 17 June 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Yes but you still have options you did not have with the Timber Wolf.

It's not really an option if you can't fit the ammo, no? The Timber Wolf can still fit Gauss Rifles in its torsos. And if it needs a 12 ton AC, it has an arm that can accommodate them.