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[Legion]

Im just curious to hear back what you guys think of the clan lights. In my attempts to use them they seem to slow and it hurts them a lot. For example trying to fight most other clan mechs in hit run you cant they travel just as fast or almost as fast and carry a lot more firepower and armor. Seems to be not much of a reason to take a light over a ryoken or a timberwolf. When fighting IS mechs they are still fun when they are too slow to chase or maneuver in a city. Meanwhile I have been avoiding IS lights like a plague they run circles around me.

[Corbenik]

You have to play them differently as support mechs not gunho or hit and run mostly lol range is their friend or if ur lucky surprise attack with group mates

[Jin Ma]

bit big

[Legion]

Corbenik, on 12 June 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

You have to play them differently as support mechs not gunho or hit and run mostly lol range is their friend or if ur lucky surprise attack with group mates

I do that but I feel that role is much better served by bigger mechs like the nova and ryoken which are close to the same and same speed as the two lights.

[Ted Wayz]

The IS has it all over the clans in the light category. The IS light's speed and mobility make the clan lights look like they are standing still. Scary sight watching 2 spiders and a jenner completely dismantle all the clan lights on our side.

Did not see a locust, firestarter or commando today, and the only ravens I saw got wrecked. But he above mentioned mechs looked extremely viable, and valuable, against the clans.

[thantos911]

Been finding the clan lights get wrecked by IS lights in one vs one fights. Might be hit detection and lag shielding but there is just too big a gap for a light moving 92 vs one pulling 140 - 160. Most IS med's are pulling the same speed as the clanner lights and can keep up with them fairly well.

[Jin Ma]

thantos911, on 12 June 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Been finding the clan lights get wrecked by IS lights in one vs one fights. Might be hit detection and lag shielding but there is just too big a gap for a light moving 92 vs one pulling 140 - 160. Most IS med's are pulling the same speed as the clanner lights and can keep up with them fairly well.

I thought that and then i got my ass handed to me in my jenner by a sSRM6 boating Adder

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Clan Lights have firepower comprable to IS mediums. And armor on about that same level.

The point is, Clan Lights can take on IS Mediums toe to Toe, though they may have an issue with IS lights due to speed issues.

We'll see what happens as more people get the pilot skills done for clan mechs, where things sit.

[FupDup]

Flash Frame, on 12 June 2014 - 06:31 PM, said:

Clan Lights have firepower comprable to IS mediums. And armor on about that same level.

The point is, Clan Lights can take on IS Mediums toe to Toe, though they may have an issue with IS lights due to speed issues.

We'll see what happens as more people get the pilot skills done for clan mechs, where things sit.

The only medium mechs that carry the same armor as 30-35 ton Clan lights are very, very poorly designed medium mechs.

[Koniving]

Jin Ma, on 12 June 2014 - 04:52 PM, said:

bit big

Too small.
Minimum size of a mech in BT is 8 meters. Commando and Hunchback are supposed to be the same size (BT official scale; I'm not kidding), and both are taller than a Raven. So those are small. o.o; The biggest is 14 (Centurion in MWO is 14.7 meters). (Going by the official BT scale, the BT Centurion is taller than a Timber Wolf. Timber Wolf at 75 tons is 12.6 meters in BT. A 100 ton Dire Wolf is 12.3 meters in BT. A 20 ton Firemoth is and I kid you not 11.4 meters. Just food for thought.)
>.>; So I find exception here.

Btw turn those to the side, and that Jenner is HUGE, while the Kitfox isn't.
(Side note: Atlas is tall. 17+ meters in MWO. BT? No taller than 13 meters; with Centurion being as tall.)

Mechscales of 35, 50, and 55 tonners (with a 20 tonner). Warning: animated gif. Warning: File size.
In order: Locust (20). Jenner(35). Adder/Puma(35). Raven(35). Kitfox(35). Firestarter(35). Hunchback(50). Nova(50). Centurion(50). Stormcrow(55). Shadowhawk(55).

Spoiler

(Fun notes: Centurions are supposed to be taller than Hunchbacks, but considerably skinnier (so much so that it defies any logical sense). Commandos and Hunchbacks are supposed to be the same height, but the Hunchback much thicker. Shadowhawks are supposed to be tall (they're recon units). Ravens are supposed to be shorter beaked (much shorter beaked) but considerably thicker-bodied. Jenners are supposed to be short (as a result of the legs being connected at the shoulders; there IS no pelvis on a Jenner. The Jenner itself is supposed to be wide with skinny legs with a Star Trek Kirk-era Enterprise A saucer section but not much extension beyond that. Sometimes its good to abandon some height aspects.)


Otherwise we'd have 11.4 meter tall 20 tonners and 8.3 meter tall Novas with 35 ton mechs Kit Fox and Adder being 8.7 and 8.8.

To mention it, the MWO height (these are all MWO heights at this point) of a Centurion is 14.7 meters tall. The Jenner is 9.4 meters tall. The Hunchback is 13.3 meters tall. The Shadowhawk is greater than 15.5 meters tall.

So as I was saying, with the Atlas being 17 meters tall in MWO, these mechs are too short. The Commando if you want to compare it isn't the height of a Hunchback and the KitFox and Adder are not taller than the Nova.

However, as I said I'll take exception to it, because with the way the game is currently designed making them any bigger is a death sentence.

Edited by Koniving, 12 June 2014 - 09:57 PM.

[wanderer]

Clan lights are support.

ECM, Streaks, plenty of firepower means they're good for hanging with the pack and counter-striking IS lights. It's a pocket medium, the way the Orion is a pocket assault.

[Jin Ma]

Koniving, on 12 June 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

Btw turn those to the side, and that Jenner is HUGE, while the Kitfox isn't.

lolwat.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Flash Frame, on 12 June 2014 - 06:31 PM, said:

Clan Lights have firepower comprable to IS mediums. And armor on about that same level.

The point is, Clan Lights can take on IS Mediums toe to Toe, though they may have an issue with IS lights due to speed issues.

We'll see what happens as more people get the pilot skills done for clan mechs, where things sit.

My weakest medium has 304/306 armor. The rest are all max armor/near max armor mediums and they've held up well to even the clan mediums and heavies. Especially the Wolverine and Centbomber. I have few IS mechs deprecated by clan mechs and those were gimmicky at best.

[Darian DelFord]

Clan lights can not be played like IS lights. In a Clan Light vs IS Light 1 v 1, the IS light will win all day long, even with Clan streaks. Did it twice tonight. Just get out of their range and you are fine. Personally I do not see the clan lights being played that much kinda like the commando is now. They are simply to slow and not enough armor. With that said, they are a decent support role, especially with the Kit Fox ECM arm.

[Carrioncrows]

Love my Kitfox-S

UAC10x3 tons of ammo
ER Medium
x2 ER Smalls
x2 jumpjets

[White Bear 84]

Jin Ma, on 12 June 2014 - 04:52 PM, said:

bit big

It is a great looking mech - nice, shiny and new lookin, but yeah a bit big

Flash Frame, on 12 June 2014 - 06:31 PM, said:

Clan Lights have firepower comprable to IS mediums. And armor on about that same level.

The point is, Clan Lights can take on IS Mediums toe to Toe, though they may have an issue with IS lights due to speed issues.

We'll see what happens as more people get the pilot skills done for clan mechs, where things sit.

Adjust tactics accordingly. Can't wait to try out my ember vs clan lights

[Darian DelFord]

White Bear 84, on 12 June 2014 - 07:05 PM, said:

Adjust tactics accordingly. Can't wait to try out my ember vs clan lights

You'll eat them alive.

[Rampancy]

Carrioncrows, on 12 June 2014 - 07:00 PM, said:

Love my Kitfox-S

UAC10x3 tons of ammo
ER Medium
x2 ER Smalls
x2 jumpjets

I may have to steal this from you. Bought the Nova package, been struggling to find completely effective loadouts for the kitfox. Though I'm enjoying slapping 6 jump jets on it.

[Carrioncrows]

RampancyTW, on 12 June 2014 - 07:10 PM, said:

I may have to steal this from you. Bought the Nova package, been struggling to find completely effective loadouts for the kitfox. Though I'm enjoying slapping 6 jump jets on it.

be sure to run the S variant with the UAC10 in the right torso, it's how you get it up high.

[Bishop Steiner]

jeff1304, on 12 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

Im just curious to hear back what you guys think of the clan lights. In my attempts to use them they seem to slow and it hurts them a lot. For example trying to fight most other clan mechs in hit run you cant they travel just as fast or almost as fast and carry a lot more firepower and armor. Seems to be not much of a reason to take a light over a ryoken or a timberwolf. When fighting IS mechs they are still fun when they are too slow to chase or maneuver in a city. Meanwhile I have been avoiding IS lights like a plague they run circles around me.

Don't try to scout. Or go off sniping. You will get overrun. Use them as support for the big boys? Absolutely vicious.