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[XX Sulla XX]

OK I have been wondering about this. I see posts saying they are very tough. Then I see posts saying they are very easy to kill. And I see posts saying they died because of every one running in close and getting shot by 5 mechs and some people saying that has nothing to do with it. Then I see posts saying they do not have enough brawling weopons and others saying they have great brawling weopons. So how is it?

With good full armor, jump jets and good piloting can they do well against say a Victor?

Do the LBX, SRMs etc have enough front loaded damage to not just be a dakka or slow burn laser boat?

[Bishop Steiner]

XX Sulla XX, on 13 June 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

OK I have been wondering about this. I see posts saying they are very tough. Then I see posts saying they are very easy to kill. And I see posts saying they died because of every one running in close and getting shot by 5 mechs and some people saying that has nothing to do with it. Then I see posts saying they do not have enough brawling weopons and others saying they have great brawling weopons. So how is it?

With good full armor, jump jets and good piloting can they do well against say a Victor?

Do the LBX, SRMs etc have enough front loaded damage to not just be a dakka or slow burn laser boat?

I was not able to pilot one myself, as my upgrade did not get infused in time.

The TWOLF, though, IMO is only mediocre with Ballistics. I would certainly stick to ER PPCs for my FLD, and will probably set mine up to use either JJS and triple MG and other secondary weapons, or SRMs. SSRM6 cooldown too slow for real good brawling, IMO. But the SRM6 have the same cooldown as before, so slapping a quartet of those on is very very doable.

[Ashaira]

The TBWs are hunters. Not brawlers not snipers but hunters. Hunters use whatever is best and the 3 chassis available now can fit pretty much any build.

LRM boat? Check
Energy boat? Check
PPFLD? Check
SSRMS Light Hunter? Check
DAKKA DAKKA? Check
Brawler? Check
Splat Wolf? Check

You name it the TBW can do it.

[Destructicus]

People say they're easy to kill because there were so many of them
If you got a kill yesterday it was probably a twolf
I beat one with my Summoner D in a 1v1 duel in 30 seconds on tourmaline
It's all a matter of pilot skill, the one I was going against was panicking and overheating.
I don't think they're easy to kill, just very very common.

Edited by Destructicus, 13 June 2014 - 12:13 PM.

[XX Sulla XX]

The timber wold is a heavy that goes 89 with speed tweek and has jump jets should be agile enough for a brawler right?

Ya maybe duel ERPPC and 4 SRMs or some LBXs pulse lasers or etc in the mix. Will have to play with it to see what feels right.

Makes sense Destructicus. Also a lot of them were not optimized.

[Thragen]

I had some pretty good games brawling with a slightly modified Timberwolf S last night.

[Ngamok]

With the SRM fixes, things will be very interesting now. I plan on bringing some SRMs come Tuesday en mass. So maybe the Timber Wolf will be able to fill this as well as some other clanners and IS mechs so brawl away.

Edited by Ngamok, 13 June 2014 - 12:12 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Destructicus, on 13 June 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

People say they're easy to kill because there were so many of them
If you got a kill yesterday it was probably a twolf
I beat one with my Summoner D in a 1v1 duel in 30 seconds on tourmaline
It's all a matter of pilot skill, the one I was going against panicking and overheating.
I don't think they're easy to kill, just very very common.

a lot of truth to that.

Because of Brand Recognition, the TWolf is also the Mech of Choice for front runners, and fans of the NY Yankees and Manchester United. Much like House Davion, Clan Wolf and the Atlas, it is a natural magnet with those who want to LOOK cool, and think that somehow by choosing a w"winner" it will make them better pilots, and more respected.

When in truth, a huge number of TWolf and Atlas jocks are among the most laughable examples of the Underhive.

Makes it hard to objectively fully test the capabilities of the chassis in such a limited window.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 13 June 2014 - 12:15 PM.

[XX Sulla XX]

So on how tough they are probably some place between a Victor and an Awesome?

[Spr1ggan]

I had a few real bad games with mine to begin with. Trying out builds and such. Once i got settled into a couple it became a nice killing machine. The two builds i had the most success with were UAC10, UAC5, ERPPC and a jumpjet. And a Gauss + two ERPPC poptart.

I did try srms and still wasn't having much reg luck with them. I even hit a powered down jenner near point blank with 4xsrm6 and did no damage

Edited by McHarg, 13 June 2014 - 12:42 PM.

[XX Sulla XX]

I have never had luck with only SRMs either. But I find an IS AC20 and 3 SRM 4s with artemis work great

[SgtMagor]

the TW (S) variant seems to have a lot of potential to be a brawler but I dunno never actually known anyone to use it for that purpose in a MechWarrior game. TW was always a hit/run fast striker to me.

[RangerGee412]

Prime variant I hung around the back till my LRMS ran out only 360 ammo. Then I brawled with it and felt it did fine. The timberwolf with JJ I had alot of success brawling with the stock loadout. Is it the most ideal way to use it? Prob not but you can do it. I never modified any variant I just played them as they were.

[Livewyr]

Ashaira, on 13 June 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

The TBWs are hunters. Not brawlers not snipers but hunters. Hunters use whatever is best and the 3 chassis available now can fit pretty much any build.

LRM boat? Check
Energy boat? Check
PPFLD? Check
SSRMS Light Hunter? Check
DAKKA DAKKA? Check
Brawler? Check
Splat Wolf? Check

You name it the TBW can do it.

Not so much on the DakkaDakka.. I rebuilt the Ilya on the TBR, and was unimpressed.

Perhaps sporting an Ultra 10 and SRMs with some medium lasers, it could do well.

[Ravenspyre]

Timber Wolves were a bunch on the field. I was playing to have fun, and didn't bother changing the spec because there wasn't enough time on PTS for me to sit there and screw up the builds and find out what works best. I would save that for live. Brawling worked well, even with the standard load out. Though if summoner boy up above is who I think he is, I wasn't panicking at all. I was simply amazed you could be firing so many beam weapons, continuously, and not go into overheat once, I was actually chuckling. Also the duel lasted quit a bit longer than 30 seconds.

Edited by Accalia, 13 June 2014 - 01:57 PM.

[Piney II]

I have the Timber Wolf, but I don't think I'll brawl with it unless forced to. With its speed, I'll probably use it more like I use my Jagers now - stick and keep moving.

[Jonny Taco]

A couple LPL, a ultra 10, and maybe 2 groups of streaks would probably do well.

[Sephlock]

There are so many JJ Twolves... it's unnatural.

[Wintersdark]

Eh, I did just fine with my TWolf brawler after I got the hang of clan weaponry.

[TIMBER WOLF-S]: 2xCERML, CSSRM6, 3xCSRM4, CUAC/20, Clan XL375, 16 DHS, 1 JJ

Ammo locations are problematic, though, I'll admit, but at least the integral CASE limits you to just losing the ST.

Edited by Wintersdark, 13 June 2014 - 02:28 PM.

[Methuselah Honeysuckle]

For me, the cockpit was taking damage too easily to want to brawl for any length of time and torso twisting didn't do much to help spread the damage from the CT, but I could just suck at it. I was using the Config C with UAC20, 2x er med lasers, and 2x SRM6. I did best using hit and run, trying to draw enemies.