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[Racklesnack]

Is there any significant advantage to taking the Adder over the Kitfox? I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason to have both. (I went with al a carte, kit fox, adder, nova, timberwolf, summoner, and direwolf)

[Chemistry Warden]

Just wondering, why didn't you just buy the mad cat collection? You'd have gotten all the same mechs plus stormcrow for $30 less.

Edit:
OT- I don't have an adder, but I'm lovin' my kitfox at stock

Edited by Chemistry Warden, 15 June 2014 - 01:47 PM.

[Samziel]

What Warden said. I'd recommend refunding your ala carte mechs via player support and then buying the Timberwolf package. Or did I understand you right?

But on the topic, Kitfox is much better than the Adder because of ECM, triple AMS and jumpjets. The only advantage for Adder is 5 tons extra and that's why it works better at fire support role (LRM's).

Edited by Samziel, 15 June 2014 - 01:46 PM.

[Sephlock]

Mr Titan, on 15 June 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

Is there any significant advantage to taking the Adder over the Kitfox? I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason to have both. (I went with al a carte, kit fox, adder, nova, timberwolf, summoner, and direwolf)

The Adder has the integral Flamer!

You can load up on ammo based weapons and still have a backup to crit with!

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[SpiralFace]

Fire support and flanker / sniper.

The better armor, extra tonnage, at the same speed and not that much larger of a profile makes it more of a direct fire support mech rather then a "utility" mech like the Kit fox.

[Racklesnack]

Chemistry Warden, on 15 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Just wondering, why didn't you just buy the mad cat collection? You'd have gotten all the same mechs plus stormcrow for $30 less.

Edit:
OT- I don't have an adder, but I'm lovin' my kitfox at stock

Actually buying 6 mechs al a carte is only $180, the timberwolf collection is $210 so it would be $30 more, but I am thinking about either upgrading or dropping the Adder for the stormcrow....

[Vassago Rain]

Adder is raven 4X tier.

[Carrioncrows]

Adder makes a more well rounded fighter. The extra armor and hitboxes can make it down right mean

My preferred Adder build right now is x2 Er mediums, x1 Streak 6, x1 CLRM 20

[Octavian]

Adder is DoA til 4x3 arrives. And then it goes back to obscurity once Fire Moth and Mist Lynx are released.

[NRP]

So far, I'm loving the Adder. You can build it as a streak boat, sniper, or something in between. I only have a few drops in the Kit Fox, but it seems pretty fragile.

LOL @ the DOA talk. You guys should have learned by now. The sheer loadout flexibility alone will allow Clan mechs to find a useful niche.

Edited by NRP, 15 June 2014 - 01:57 PM.

[Jonny Taco]

I don't have the adder, but 2x ER L and 2x ER M with JJ and lots of DH is working wonders on the kit fox.

[MonkeyCheese]

Vassago Rain, on 15 June 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

Adder is raven 4X tier.

even tho I love my 4x raven I kinda have to agree.

Just spectated a 2 erppc adder, then I went to the mechlab and built a 2erppc kitfox with ecm one jumpjet and a ton left over for a heat sink or a ml

[Vassago Rain]

MonkeyCheese, on 15 June 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

even tho I love my 4x raven I kinda have to agree.

Just spectated a 2 erppc adder, then I went to the mechlab and built a 2erppc kitfox with ecm one jumpjet and a ton left over for a heat sink or a ml

There was no reason to include the poor puma in its current state. Such a waste of a robot.

[Khobai]

Puma is DOA like I said it would be.

The Uller wouldve been DOA too if it hadnt gotten the ECM arm. ECM makes all the difference.

Solution? Maybe give the Puma ECM too?

[Foxfire]

Honestly... the Kit Fox is the only clan Light that is worth it. As of right now, without any restrictions controlling what class you can bring on a drop, you are better off dropping in a Storm Crow than an Adder.

Simply put, IS lights are superior in roles where lights are supposed to excel.. and while Clan lights are built more towards fire support for a group.. Mediums let you bring more to the fight in that role.

[FupDup]

Khobai, on 15 June 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

Puma is DOA like I said it would be.

The Uller wouldve been DOA too if it hadnt gotten the ECM arm. ECM makes all the difference.

Solution? Maybe give the Puma ECM too?

That makes them too much similar IMO.

I think we could probably give the Puma some more powerful pod quirks to help compensate, especially because it has such limited hardpoints. Stuff like more leg internal structure (the current boost is laughable), -7.5% cooldowns for whatever arm you have (i.e. Prime would get -7.5% energy cooldowns per arm, or 15% when you combine both arms). And that CT Flamer should probably have a quirk of some kind, too... Maybe even +x% damage quirks for the arms, because the mech was meant to be "the littlest sledgehammer" (2 CERPPCs on Prime, in TT that was basically dual Gauss).

Edited by FupDup, 15 June 2014 - 02:55 PM.

[Foxfire]

FupDup, on 15 June 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

That makes them too much similar IMO. I think we could probably give the Puma some more powerful pod quirks to help compensate, especially because it has such limited hardpoints. Stuff like more leg internal structure (the current boost is laughable), -7.5% cooldowns for whatever arm you have (i.e. Prime would get -7.5% energy cooldowns per arm, or 15% when you combine both arms). And that CT Flamer should probably have a quirk of some kind, too...

Honestly, it should receive a fairly significant armor bonus as a quirk. It is, in essence, a 'small' medium with the philosophy behind the design.

[Khobai]

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That makes them too much similar IMO.

So? Most of the IS mechs are similar anyway. The point is it makes the Puma useful.

The ONLY other way youre making a Puma useful is giving it quirks which increase its max speed. Because a slow light without ECM is fail.

Edited by Khobai, 15 June 2014 - 03:05 PM.

[FupDup]

Khobai, on 15 June 2014 - 03:04 PM, said:

So? Most of the IS mechs are similar anyway. The point is it makes the Puma useful.

The ONLY other way youre making a Puma useful is giving it quirks which increase its max speed. Because a slow light without ECM or other bonuses is fail.

Fixed. ECM is the easiest route because it's such a derptardedly powerful device, but it's not the only way.

[Carrioncrows]

Just be sure to put in feedback that the Adder needs more hardpoints, that way it can be the "Combat" light, 6-8 energy hardpoints should do it.