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[OneEyed Jack]

Jack Avery, on 21 June 2014 - 07:27 AM, said:

They don't. Component destruction is for the main body parts, like arms, legs, torsos, not the items within them.

Um... no.

[Octavian]

MG's were way to effective in the first place. They're anti-infantry weapons, not anti-mech.

[Bishop Steiner]

Octavian, on 21 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

MG's were way to effective in the first place. They're anti-infantry weapons, not anti-mech.

might want to look that up.

MGs do 2 damage to mechs and armor.

[FupDup]

Octavian, on 21 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

MG's were way to effective in the first place. They're anti-infantry weapons, not anti-mech.

There's ALWAYS one of those types of people in MG threads. Like, every single time.

Edited by FupDup, 21 June 2014 - 03:16 PM.

[Octavian]

Yah, which admittedly is more than an LBX pellet, but it's still supposed to be a min range min dmg weapon.

[Bishop Steiner]

Octavian, on 21 June 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Yah, which admittedly is more than an LBX pellet, but it's still supposed to be a min range min dmg weapon.

Cool. It does LESS than that now. Never has done the damage they should.

[Adiuvo]

Octavian, on 21 June 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Yah, which admittedly is more than an LBX pellet, but it's still supposed to be a min range min dmg weapon.

They have a 120m range...

[Reza Malin]

I seem to be feeling this too, i run 3 x MG on my timber wolf and it just doesnt feel like they are critting at all.....

[Deathlike]

Adiuvo, on 21 June 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

They have a 120m range...

Requires 100% uptime (aka full exposure), has cone of fire (no other weapon has this), and useless vs external armor.

Gee, let's find more ways to make weapons like Flamers.

[Zolaz]

Anyone who says that a MG isnt an anti material weapon doesnt know what they are talking about. Heavy machine guns are used against aircraft, vehicles and buildings. Normally are in the .50 or 12.7 mm. They punch through light skinned vehicles and destroy them. I do seem to recall that a .50 cal will go through a cement brick. Things like engines, wires, mechanical devices just get tore up.

[Sephlock]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 June 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

What are your findings?

I have 4 Quad MG mechs, the Ember, Huginn, my Jager-DD "Crit-Bomb" and my Nova-S.

I first noticed on the Test Server....that while the Clan MG sounded sexy as heck.... I was really getting no crits, no destroyed components. Figured lower damage or crits were a trade off for half weight, so didn't think too much about it.

Then we get the patch notes, telling us that they were not doing their full damage, and because that is fixed now, their damage is reduced. OK, fair enough, accurate damage registry, supposed to come out a wash, No problem.

Except that I have not found them to be a wash. I actually find them staggeringly less effective.
They are still great sounding, low heat Dakka, and a lot of people twist and panic still, because they are conditioned to panic about getting critted...... but the actual amount of damage, number of crits and component destructions are waaaaaaay down for me.

Mind you, by far not the biggest balance issue by any means (unless you are an Ember or Huginn, maybe?), but curious what other people are experiencing?

SEPHLOCK! THE MIND TAKER!
OoooEEEEEEooooOHHH!

Seriously, this has happened before. Same. Exact. Thing.

"Oh we found a bug that no one ever noticed that lowered damage by X. We fixed the bug and therefore decreased the damage by X. You should notice no change, really!"

Result?

[Adiuvo]

Deathlike, on 21 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Requires 100% uptime (aka full exposure), has cone of fire (no other weapon has this), and useless vs external armor.

Gee, let's find more ways to make weapons like Flamers.

Funnily enough they are basically like flamers if you're just shooting armor. Flamers have .7DPS whereas machine guns now sit at .8.

Crits though get nice with MGs

[Roland]

So actuators can be critted now? But don't actually have any detrimental effect on the mech when destroyed?

That seems wrong.

[Deathlike]

Adiuvo, on 21 June 2014 - 03:42 PM, said:

Funnily enough they are basically like flamers if you're just shooting armor. Flamers have .7DPS whereas machine guns now sit at .8.

Well, that assumes all 10 bullets hit the same spot (which is rare). The Flamer needs to hit its spot every second by comparison...

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Crits though get nice with MGs

Well, yea. 10 bullets better generate plenty of crits (max 10 crit chances per MG)... can't say the same for the Flamer (1 flamer shot per second).

[Roland]

Octavian, on 21 June 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Yah, which admittedly is more than an LBX pellet, but it's still supposed to be a min range min dmg weapon.

Machine guns are supposed to do damage equal to an ac 2.
Your assertion that they are supposed to be anti infantry weapons is nonsensical and baseless, given the machine gun in battletech predates infantry.

[Deathlike]

Roland, on 21 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

So actuators can be critted now? But don't actually have any detrimental effect on the mech when destroyed?

That seems wrong.

Hi, my name is said:

PGI

[FupDup]

Deathlike, on 21 June 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

Would see. Moar popcorn readied.

I'm a man of my word!





So, how are my GIMP skills?

Edited by FupDup, 21 June 2014 - 03:55 PM.

[Roland]

Well done.

Perhaps needs more cats and steering wheels.

[Deathlike]

Roland, on 21 June 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Well done.

Perhaps needs more neutered cats and steering wheels.

The Paul Is Right said:

Don't forget to get your weapons spayed or normalized.