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[Threat Doc]

I am already so sick and bloody tired of all the Clan 'Mechs, I can't even express.

If the teams had an even number of Clan 'Mechs and Inner Sphere 'Mechs, say six and six per side, the game is pretty even. However, for each additional Clan 'Mech on the enemy side, our chance of winning drops precipitously. If you're not driving a Clan 'Mech, right now, you're severely limited in what you can do. This last game, on Frozen City, four Omni's came through the North opening of Cave and splashed three of us before we could even react. Three of those 'Mechs they splashed were Omni's, and then me in my little Wolverine.

This has become, I'm afraid, ClanWarrior Online; it's out of control, unfortunately. If I want to have any opportunity to save my KDR whatsoever, for a time when the game will be fixed, I have to stop playing. Was that your goal, PGI? I don't think it was. You said you had Clan 'Mechs beautifully balanced and, for about the first six hours of gameplay on Wednesday, I'm sure they seemed very much balanced. Now, however, they are far from it.

I did not purchase Clan 'Mechs, I will not purchase Clan 'Mechs, the shiny syndrome seems to have taken over many of your players, and they were not supposed to be out, you said they would not be out, until after Community Warfare. You may not have promised us anything, and I never said you have; however, that doesn't make the lie any less harmful.

I was never a really good player to begin with. I'm not quitting, entirely, but you need to put a separation between Clans and Inner Sphere, or you need to put rules in place rapidly when dealing with Clan 'Mech tonnage vs. Inner Sphere, please?

In my estimation, with the balancing you've attempted to do, I would not say Inner Sphere tonnage should be between 1.5 and 1.75 per Clan ton, but between 1.3 and 1.4 per Clan ton. I don't know if that helps, but my numbers are usually pretty straight when it comes to these sorts of things, and I think I have the right of it.

Please fix this, soon? Thank you.

[Bobby Blast]

Sorry man I just got into my stalker and rained pain down on the enemy with 1100 damage. If you think IS mech are sub par your wrong, Cataphracts, Jagers, Stalkers, PPC Spiders, and Catapults are really effective against clan mechs, not to mention the Victor Metaslayer is strong as ever. I guess what I mean to say is L2P...

[Toadkillerdog]

First I think the fact that you're worried about your KDR is absolutely hilarious. It's like those guys that cap win on an assault match without ever fighting, because having the game tell them "they win" is more important than anything else.
Second, I suggest engaging clan mechs a bit differently than IS mechs. I've had a number of games with an almost all IS team obliterating an all Clan team, you just have to focus fire and move. Honestly, some of my previously moot mechs have come back into style, quick strikers like dragons and mediums can hit a lot of the clan assaults and heavies, then pop out before they can turn around. The IS biggest strength is now speed and accuracy, use em.

[Creovex]

Been in plenty games since release where only the IS mechs are standing at the end. I find the balance nearing 50/50 the further we get away from the release.

Edited by Creovex, 22 June 2014 - 06:51 PM.

[LoneMaverick]

While I am still getting in some good games with my IS Mediums I do play well (900 or so damage game earlier with my CN9-A with 5 kills ) I am quite concerned with what clan tech has done to TTK, that is, drastically reduced it.

Pinpoint FLD or not, clan tech boasts some outstanding dps, at excessive ranges, and with 12v12 in such small maps still you are punished even harder for being out of position now, to the point of losing half if not all of your mech if you aren't deciding to be the last person on your team to play peek-a-boo. Brawling for the most part is in a terrible place unless you're in a clan mech.

To sum it up, can you still do well with IS mechs? Yes, to a point.
Are clan mechs/tech pretty much the deciding factor in most matches now, given a decent average of skill? I would have to say undoubtedly so.
They can engage at ranges far beyond a good amount of IS weapon damage, and just a small amount of focus fire from a couple UACs and ERLAS can cripple/bring down a mech, let alone CGauss and CERPPCs.

[Kell Commander]

My only gripe with clan anything is why the hell clan Ultra ACs shoot 4 projectiles per shot. That's horribly wrong. Otherwise, while my brawler mechs are even more useless on Alpine (which has everything to do with bringing a brawler to Alpine and nothing really with balance), as long as I'm not taking on 2 clanners at once (or if they are bad pilots I can) I generally win.

[Nauht]

Why aren't you raging on about the terribad Clan pilots on your team that didn't stop the other teams's Clan mechs?

You're misdirecting your frustration - instead of bitching about how bad you and you're team were, you jump on the bandwagon and blame Clan mechs in general.

Way to argue.... not.

Edited by Nauht, 22 June 2014 - 07:04 PM.

[Conductor Rarity]

Kay Wolf, on 22 June 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

This last game, on Frozen City, four Omni's came through the North opening of Cave and splashed three of us before we could even react. Three of those 'Mechs they splashed were Omni's, and then me in my little Wolverine.

FYI, a successful flank maneuver like that would have killed you anyways, it has nothing to do with omnis.

[TOPGUN Stinger]

Got to be honest here, a clan mech in and of itself is not a big problem unless it is piloted by a top gun pilot.

Edited by TOPGUN Stinger, 22 June 2014 - 07:15 PM.

[daehawk]

I'd like a way to play Clan vs Sphere matches if I wanted to.

[MonkeyCheese]

Complaining about kdr when just changing tactics is all that is really needed makes this thread null and void in my eyes.

Hell I have had zero problems fighting and killing clan mechs and I have been driving mostly locusts and some mediums lately...

[Piney II]

And you're whining about your precious KDR.........LOL!

Stat warrior,are you?

If you don't like the game, then not playing is a certain option.

Welcome to change and a new challenge................but it looks like you're not up to that.

[Roland]

There are plenty of other games out there dude. There's no reason to keep playing this one if you don't enjoy it.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Kell Commander, on 22 June 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

My only gripe with clan anything is why the hell clan Ultra ACs shoot 4 projectiles per shot. That's horribly wrong. Otherwise, while my brawler mechs are even more useless on Alpine (which has everything to do with bringing a brawler to Alpine and nothing really with balance), as long as I'm not taking on 2 clanners at once (or if they are bad pilots I can) I generally win.

All Clan ACs fire bursts of rounds rather than a single shell. It actually makes them less effective since that means a Clan AC20 firing five, 4pt shells might miss with a portion or spread the damage as the target moves. In the case of UACs the downside remains the same.

Yes they seem a little more daunting because of the impulse factor (mild screenshake associayed with impact) but once you realize your reticle does not move at all and you keep moving to spread thedamage it is actually much easier to mitigate the damage caused by all manner of Clanner ACs.

[Xenon Codex]

Just learn some new tactics man, and give it some time. I decided to finally elite my Ember this weekend and my KDR has been fantastic (though W/L ratio is about 1:1). Last week I was having great success in my Griffin 3M with SRMs and MLs. Gotta admit my recent purchase of a (half price) Atlas DDC has seen pretty poor results, what a slumbering barge that one is...bleh!

Just make sure you take AMS and/or Radar Dep.

[CycKath]

Kay Wolf, on 22 June 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

This last game, on Frozen City, four Omni's came through the North opening of Cave and splashed three of us before we could even react. Three of those 'Mechs they splashed were Omni's, and then me in my little Wolverine.

Had you been in an OmniMech, would the other side magically not have flanked your team? Had they all been in IS Mechs, would they have not flanked your team then?

[Lukoi Banacek]

@OP,

I bet if you actually tracked a fair sample size of matches you would find no correlation between the number of Clanners on each side and your win-loss experience but based on your self-entitled ranting I suspect anecdotal evidence is all you choose to deal in.

You show zero mathematical or statistical relationships to justify your 1.5, 1.75 etc Clan to IS tonnage relationship and yet say you "typically have the right of it." Do you? Does your gut feeling actually nest with any discernable facts? None thatyou have showcased thus far. Just a rant, based on what is more likely anecdotal misinterpretation as you clearly cannot be bothered to actually quantify anything you claim here followed by your very neat 1.5 et al "fix" recommendation.

Seriously OP. Nothing hurts creditability like your initial post.

[focuspark]

I'm grinding in my shiney new clan 'mechs right now and I still fear the same IS 'mechs I did before. Highlanders still poptart, CTF-3D still out gun me. IS 'mechs are still very viable.

And those fast lights -- OMG are Clanners slow.

[Atheus]

Don't worry. Unless your ELO bottoms out you'll eventually just move down ELO brackets until your inferior mechs are balanced by lower skilled opponents.

Also, you fools making fun of him mentioning his KDR, pretending you never take an interest in your own KDR. First: KDR is going to be a pretty strong indicator of IS vs. Clan balance when it comes to data analysis. They're not going to be able to rely purely on match data since they haven't separated clan from IS, but they will easily be able to analyze the average KDR of every mech chassis over time since the clan release. Second: yeah, you may not go so far as to try to shut down and wait out a match, but when you accomplish a high KDR you're sure to feel some pride. I am certain you would feel pretty crappy about a designed imbalance screwing up the KDR you took pride in purely because you decided not to pay hundreds of dollars to keep your arsenal on par with your opponents'.

Edited by Atheus, 22 June 2014 - 08:15 PM.

[Bagheera]

Wait, so three clan mechs kill three other clan mechs + you by getting the jump on you?

Sounds to me like the only thing OP in this scenario is situational awareness.