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[LoPanShui]

Marack, you are a weird bro.

I mean, c'mon, it's the FWL. They never did anything to anyone! Literally. They kind of never did anything at all. Ever.

Name one thing they did to anyone else besides give some refugees a world where they were free to express a religion.

[Pastor Priest]

Liao. The North Korea of 3049. Not as poverty stricken, but just as insane.

Edited by Pastor Priest, 30 June 2014 - 11:22 AM.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

FerrolupisXIII, on 26 June 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Kurita, the scum! Remember Misery!

i RP for Wolf's Dragoons so its sort of a requirement to dislike Kurita.

Already forgotten that Jamie Wolf would have been dead looong before Misery if it wasn't for a Kuritan Samurai sparing/saving his life (twice)? You should be blame certain dishonorable curs that are responsible for the whole mess (Warlord Samsonov, Jerry Akuma) instead of generalizing.

Blood Rose, on 29 June 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:

Kurita.
******** put a Gauss slug in to Cassies Urbanmechs head, and left her to bleed out.

Would you climb out of your cockpit in hostile territory just to help an enemy pilot that MIGHT still be alive (and
let's be honest, those chances are slim if the target was an Urbanmech) and is most likely either dead or lethally wounded and jeopardize yourself, your mech, your unit and the whole operation?

@Topic: I hate Davion for being the Ultramarines of Battletech, the righteous good poster boys that everyone likes and always seem to have the storywriters on their side. With a very few exceptions showing the nasty side of the Federated Suns (thank god they are there) they are just bland and boring. Lyrians for their leaders and government for being... well... what they are. If it was not out of necessity the coordinator would have never allied with them to begin with.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 30 June 2014 - 01:05 PM.

[crossflip]

I dislike the Davions because they're the stereotypical American hero good guy faction that you know the writers wanted everyone to relate to. They're like the Starks except they're boring and cheesy.

[Pht]

I flip a coin between any clan and the crapellan dis-federation of deathiness and 45th class non-citizenry ...

crossflip, on 30 June 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

I dislike the Davions because they're the stereotypical American hero good guy faction that you know the writers wanted everyone to relate to. They're like the Starks except they're boring and cheesy.

Actually there... WAS ... america in space. The terran hegemony, which morphed into the monstrosity known as the first star league.... and it's lonnnng gone.

Davion = british/fwenchies in space, with some other kinds of thinking thrown in for spice.

Edited by Pht, 30 June 2014 - 12:01 PM.

[LoPanShui]

Marack Drock, on 30 June 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

During the years of the Star League they were more instrumental in the Star Leagues downfall than any other House that was rebelling by use of "Capitalism" and also planting spies within the Star League and assassinating various people.

But still play second fiddle to Amaris...

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During the 250 year long wars they went to civil war with themselves

Doesn't count. I said to other people. I mean, everyone but Kurita's had a civil war at some point, and at least the Mariks don't drag the rest of the Inner Sphere into it with them.

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and also attacked several worlds on both Lyran and Capellan territory.

But not nearly as many worlds from anyone as anyone else attacked, nor did they ever start a war.

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During Clan Wars Thomas led a strike force the front securing several victories in revenge for his sons death.

Yay, he played at being a war leader for like, a year. Next Victor Steiner-Davion everyone!

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They not only funded WoB but also took advantage of the situation to invade Lyran space (which did not last long).

Did not found the WoB. WoB was formed in the 2800s by ComStar's religious movement, then they were forced out by Focht, and the FWL just gave them a planet since no one else would and they thought they could get out from under ComStar's thumb if they had their own faction within their borders that knew how to work HPGs. The first victim of the WoB was the FWL, which was kind of nuked into nonexistence during the Jihad.

I'm not a fan of the FWL, but man, they're kind of bit players. I do not get the hate.

[Targun Darklighter]

Pastor Priest, on 30 June 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

Liao. The North Korea of 3049. Not as poverty stricken, but just as insane.

You hit this one right on the nail!
Dracons Combine,Comstar/WoB and Taurian Concordat

crossflip, on 30 June 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

I dislike the Davions because they're the stereotypical American hero good guy faction that you know the writers wanted everyone to relate to. They're like the Starks except they're boring and cheesy.

Crossflip the Terran Hegemony was the USA!!! not FedSuns!!! all worlds with in 3-4 jumps(90-120LYs) was mostly settled by the USA.

[Dalton Dakota]

Exilyth, on 26 June 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

"Wife, in honor of our marriage, in addition to this morsel I give you a vast prize. My love, I give you the Capellan Confederation!"

• Hanse Davion to Melissa Steiner-Davion at their wedding reception on Terra, also sparking the Fourth Succession War, August 20, 3028

Aside from that, Davions always twist events using media to make themselves look like they're the good guys, especially when they're not.
Davion = wolf in sheep's clothes.
Not that any Davion would read this anyway... seeing how they are the house with the highest rate of illiteracy.

Very succinct and concise reply on the true view of the virtues-less evil Davions my fellow Capellan! Xin Sheng!

[C E Dwyer]

Pht, on 30 June 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I flip a coin between any clan and the crapellan dis-federation of deathiness and 45th class non-citizenry ...



Actually there... WAS ... america in space. The terran hegemony, which morphed into the monstrosity known as the first star league.... and it's lonnnng gone.

Davion = british/fwenchies in space, with some other kinds of thinking thrown in for spice.

Actually Davions are of Indian(the Country)/French Stock

[C E Dwyer]

GonaDie, on 29 June 2014 - 12:43 AM, said:

True...But still...Why people hate the Clans so much? IS are as bad as the Clans.

Reason 1

From old table top and game balance past PC game view they were completely over the top power wise, ruined balance, game creators threw out any resemblance of sensible so people that had to win all the time would buy the new shiney.

Reason 2

Kerensky caused the succession wars by turning his back on the ordinary people, the people soldiers are supposed to protect, by tucking his tail between his legs and running away, causing a power vacuum, when the people needed him the most, and took the cowardly 80% with him .

Reason 3

Clan canon must have been created by a whack job stoned out his mind on Weed, a bunch of killers go off to planets where their is no tech and collonise them (just add water for instant society) Even star trek got collonisation right, as the initial resources you take with you whether it be guns, tanks, planes, babies, get cannibalised for a subsistance existence, even with help from the established starting place, and there is an optimum size which if exceeded reduces your chance of survival until where you live can sustain it.

But no the clans not only go out into unknown space, but they manage to develope cloning, have, second class citizens freeborn underhumans extra zappy weapons shinny new mechs, and even seperate amoung themselves and have fights between them selves, developing cute little street gangs with fuzzy names, for the thugs to feel good about.

Then clone warrior comes back saying they're taking their worlds. The worlds their ancestors turned tail exposing their yellow streak and abandoned. Its like 80% of the American armed forces going awol to (we'll go easy on them) A Caribbean island for 250 years (one without running water, power stations, factories, farms, towns) then their kids say we want our country back.

Someone here said they hate Lio/Cappellan confederation because they are like North Korea, well if anyone is then its the clans as they only see themselves through rose tinted glasses, and kill or remove anyone that disagrees, or well try to.


That's why so many people hate the clans

[Mech42Ace]

^well said

[Slapshot]

I would actually like to change my answer to Republic of the Sphere and WoB... The later literally nuked everything I like about this franchise and RoS belongs more in the W40k universe than Battletech in my opinion.

Edited by Slapshot, 08 July 2014 - 10:44 AM.

[The Great Unwashed]

Davion by being such a complete and utter bore in MW4...

[Marauder3D]

Slapshot, on 26 June 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

Davion. They are boring to me, stereotypical good guys who always seem to win at everything they do even when it seems impossible.

This is probably true up until about 3052 for House Davion. Things slowly go downhill from there, with a big downhill during the FedCom Civil War (3062-3067).

In the current timeline, House Davion is completely and unequivically against the ropes and facing annhilation. By 3145, Both Kurita and Liao are invading with superior quality troops and a great advantage in numbers.

Fans believe that the Federated Suns will survive, but things have never looked worse for them.

[LoPanShui]

The Fortress Republic will save them!

#sarcasm

[Alaskan Nobody]

Marauder3D, on 08 July 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

Fans believe that the Federated Suns will survive, but things have never looked worse for them.

During Davion's prime, things had never looked more grim for Liao, and now that things are looking grim for Davion, Liao is top dog.

What goes around, comes around.

Davion rose, fell, and will rise again
Just like Liao did

Edited by Shar Wolf, 08 July 2014 - 12:41 PM.

[Alreech]

Any Faction that is not Word of Blake...

[Pht]

Cathy, on 07 July 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Actually Davions are of Indian(the Country)/French Stock

The *federated suns/fedcom* are what were being discussed, not the davion family proper.

Got a source on the indian line for the davion family? Never seen that before.

[Mech42Ace]

Pht, on 08 July 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

The *federated suns/fedcom* are what were being discussed, not the davion family proper.

Got a source on the indian line for the davion family? Never seen that before.

Me neither, though I haven't read much of the books and lore...

[Strum Wealh]

Cathy, on 07 July 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Actually Davions are of Indian(the Country)/French Stock

Actually, the Davion (originally d'Avion) family is supposed to be (originally) ethnically French, with roots traceable to Gascony and the County of Foix (and, presumably, the Counts of Foix).
One of the Davions' (very likely fictional) ancestors, one Jean-Baptiste d'Avion, is supposed to have served as a bodyguard to Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots, and been granted holdings in Scotland as a result - a point supposed to be used by some of his descendants to claim to be of Scottish rather than French heritage.
(All of the above comes from House Davion (The Federated Suns), under "Rise of the Davions".)

By contrast, the society and government of the Federated Suns is obviously modeled on that of the United Kingdom, with echoes of the British Empire.

So, yeah - FedSuns = "British Empire (IN OUTER SPACE!), ruled by Frenchmen"

Edited by Strum Wealh, 08 July 2014 - 04:19 PM.