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[Bishop Steiner]

So far, I have seen nary a one that I am aware of (not always possible to tell when on the receiving end, though) and don't know a single person who has used them. Especially since the new double tap mechanic should have negated any dries over jamming (from hamfingering your firing button).

Anyone? Or were they the waste of time and resources (albeit minimal) that I predicted back when they were announced?
http://mwomercs.com/...24#entry3444024

I know in my drops with Clan Ghost Bear, the whole concept is met with universal derision, but I also know we are just one cross section of the player base to sample. So I am curious: IS anyone using the "Standard" ACs, and if so, just curious why? What "advantage" do they provide, even as a placeholder?

For me, they simply add a lot of extra clutter to an already messy UI in the Mechlab, and TBH, for that reason alone, would love them to disappear, but I'm a little organization/efficiency obsessed in these things.

[xMintaka]

If you possess even a modicum of fire discipline, there is no reason not to take a UAC# when after any non-LBX or Guass ballistic.

Just practice with your UAC of choice and you'll get the firing rhythm down in no time.



So yes, they are a waste of space imho.

Edited by Lunatech, 28 June 2014 - 08:53 AM.

[verybad]

I would be surprised if they've been used more often in the game than on the forum.

[Jman5]

If you hold down the fire button do Clan UACs auto fire the next shot normally? They changed the IS UAC 5 recently so that you have to manually press it to double shoot. Unfortunately it wont auto fire normally if you're holding down the fire button like regular autocannons do.

If the same is true for Clan autocannons, I could see this as a benefit for running them. Having to press the fire button on your mouse repeatedly can have subtle effects on your aim.

[Torgun]

Jman5, on 28 June 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

If you hold down the fire button do Clan UACs auto fire the next shot normally? They changed the IS UAC 5 recently so that you have to manually press it to double shoot. Unfortunately it wont auto fire normally if you're holding down the fire button like regular autocannons do.

If the same is true for Clan autocannons, I could see this as a benefit for running them. Having to press the fire button on your mouse repeatedly can have subtle effects on your aim.

You need to get elite, and use autohotkey to autofire them for you with a suitable delay like most elite guys are already doing.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jman5, on 28 June 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

If you hold down the fire button do Clan UACs auto fire the next shot normally? They changed the IS UAC 5 recently so that you have to manually press it to double shoot. Unfortunately it wont auto fire normally if you're holding down the fire button like regular autocannons do.

If the same is true for Clan autocannons, I could see this as a benefit for running them. Having to press the fire button on your mouse repeatedly can have subtle effects on your aim.

Same firing mechanic. Whether you use it once, or twice, you still hafta tap. And now, as always, since they weigh the same, and actually take up MORE room than the UAC does, the question is, (Since you don't have to double tap a UAC...you can just use it as a normal AC, especially with the new fire mechanism) what advantage does it have?

I honestly have not checked to see how they standard acs work...are they tap tap tap or hold down? I personally have no issue tap firing, but that is a good question for those who wanna button mash (especially on chainfire).

[Roland]

Yeah, at first I thought the standard ac would be single shoot and bought one, but since they ate also stream shots, there isn't really any point to them.

[Scarlett Avignon]

The problem with them is that they don't fire a solid slug like they were supposed to (they were supposed to be the solid-shot replacement for the LB-X.)

That was going to be their big advantage. It doesn't have that advantage, so so one uses them.

[Bishop Steiner]

Roland, on 28 June 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Yeah, at first I thought the standard ac would be single shoot and bought one, but since they ate also stream shots, there isn't really any point to them.

I am curious on Jman5's point though....can you hold down fire with them? While it is a minor advantage, and not worth having my UI cluttered up for (IMO) I could at least see a place for them on some of these multi AC terrors that chainfire anyhow.

Franklen Avignon, on 28 June 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

The problem with them is that they don't fire a solid slug like they were supposed to (they were supposed to be the solid-shot replacement for the LB-X.)

That was going to be their big advantage. It doesn't have that advantage, so so one uses them.

Paul never sidd they would have solid slug though when announced (though he also didn't say they wouldn't in the initial podcast) and it was already announced that they would be burst fire when people decided to excoriate me over my last post on the subject.

(BTW, after playing the last week and a half....if PGI really takes the PP-FLD fire away from the IS, and replaces it with burst, they will have totally pooched a big part of the IS/Clan balance)

[RussianWolf]

haven't paid attention but I'm using them if they come on the stock mechs.

[Hillslam]

Agreed. the IS needs their single shot ACs to maintain the flavor difference and balance

[Wintersdark]

The non ultra autocannons are pointless, being larger but having the same stats and less features.

And yeah, if the move IS autocannons to burst fire, they will as Bishop said totally pooch IS/clan balance. It'd be the death of IS, instantly.

[Lootee]

I would be using the clan standard AC/20 if there was some assurance that the 1.2 million c-bills it costs would be refunded or the weapon would be converted to a LB20X-AC when the standard AC is removed from the game.

Edit: oh if they fire bursts too then forget it. No reason at all to waste the 1.2M on it. The spread on the LB20X is not bad at 360m anyway.

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 28 June 2014 - 10:54 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

RussianWolf, on 28 June 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

haven't paid attention but I'm using them if they come on the stock mechs.

they aren't because they don't exist, Stock. It's supposed to be a placeholder 'til they can get the LBX to work, but it's just a largely pointless ones, since UACs are simply better.

[Scalien]

I'm using a standard c AC-5 on my kitfox since my plan of using a dual uac2 was foiled by the mechanic the makes both cannons stop firing if one cannon jams. I don;t know if this is intentional or not, I haven't used uacs much at all.

Very annoying.

[Ultimax]

I bought one, a clan AC 20 for 1.2 million, on accident when I was watching the world cup.


It sits unused, and will remain unused, with the current mechanics for those weapons as they are entirely pointless.

[Sephlock]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 June 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

HOW MANY OF YOU ARE USING THOSE AWESOME CLAN "STANDARD AUTOCANNON (PLACEHOLDERS)?

Lol.

Also, you're willing to betray House Steiner in favor of Clan Ghost bear but not the almighty FedComm?!

[Bishop Steiner]

Sephlock, on 28 June 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

Lol.

Also, you're willing to betray House Steiner in favor of Clan Ghost bear but not the almighty FedComm?!

Bishop Steiner is a staunch MErc Loyalist, former member of MI6.

My Clan Account is of no relationship to Bishop Steiner. Hence the different account.

[xXBagheeraXx]

No, there is absolutely no reason to take a standard ac over the clan Uac. I tested an ac20 to see if perhaps it wasnt burst fire, or perhaps it fired faster bursts but no. Uacs are smaller, and double tap..It will be interesting whenever they allow you to select ammo, but then that means the Innersphere Ac10 becomes obsolete....lol

[Zuesacoatl]

If you hold the button down on clan normal acs they chain fire as normal, round after round once reload happens.