OK no, I've heard enough...if you guys were jumping off of stuff that was taller than your mech and not taking damage before somehow...I don't even know how, because it was damaging my mechs- but it's over, you can't just jump off of things like a fool and not expect leg damage.
Falling 5 meters hurts us now. Before, that wasn't the case. A Centurion is 14 meters tall. =/
You have a choice... stick in direct fire and take splatter damage or run off the side and take leg damage (option 3 which includes move but at a slower rate is left out due to complexity of the explanation... which is more a topic on playstyle)
Why should a 'Mech not take fall damage from a pilot controlling it? I can jump off a two-story building and be in complete control of my body, and I still break my legs. The legs are designed to move. A 'Mech cannot jump (at least very effectively, like a Tyrannosaurus jumping) without jump jets. Sure, it can drop from orbit... but so can a moon lander. And that only survives because the thrusters on it slow it down enough to where the impact is hardly anything. How are 'Mechs any different?
I have a funny example of this from tabletop (megamek).
I landed a Trebuchet on a building thinking I'd pull off the same crap on it as I would on MWO.
I got a warning about it, but I ignored it.
The building collapse underneath me. My Trebuchet fell 3 stories inside the 5 story tall building, the fall knocked my pilot unconscious and damaged the left leg, and destroyed the left arm (likely due to twisting at a weird angle). Note that Trebuchets, while tall for 50 ton mechs even in MWO lore, is still a lot shorter than MWO's height.
The Trebuchet never did get back up due to the Clan twin UAC/20s baring down on it afterward.
...later, my Kintaro tripped when running past the Trebuchet's wreckage, falling down and badly damaging itself.
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On another match, a one legged Griffin had to do piloting checks for jump jetting after losing one leg. Of the two attempts, the second attempt resulted in falling down. The pilot died inside during it.
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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:45 PM
I seem to recall Sortek skydiving his Victor into a swamp from orbit chosing to 'land' face first without jumpjets as the best option and taking no damage in sword and dagger.
I have a funny example of this from tabletop (megamek).
I landed a Trebuchet on a building thinking I'd pull off the same crap on it as I would on MWO.
I got a warning about it, but I ignored it.
The building collapse underneath me. My Trebuchet fell 3 stories inside the 5 story tall building, the fall knocked my pilot unconscious and damaged the left leg, and destroyed the left arm (likely due to twisting at a weird angle). Note that Trebuchets, while tall for 50 ton mechs even in MWO lore, is still a lot shorter than MWO's height.
The Trebuchet never did get back up due to the Clan twin UAC/20s baring down on it afterward.
...later, my Kintaro tripped when running past the Trebuchet's wreckage, falling down and badly damaging itself.
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On another match, a one legged Griffin had to do piloting checks for jump jetting after losing one leg. Of the two attempts, the second attempt resulted in falling down. The pilot died inside during it.
Yup, BattleMechs =/= Gundams.
In table top there were all kinds of things that required "Piloting Skill" saving throws to avoid falling over, possibly damaging your mech and even your pilot...including any time you took over 20 points of ballistic damage in a turn (added difficulty for every 20 points).
Funnily enough part 2 is going to also demonstrate pretty clearly why the hill climbing on the ground pounders being so abysmal is laughable.
The problem is, is the height of falls that deal damage to your mech. (on Alpine there are falls that will deal around 50 percent armor damage)
I don't mind there being fall damage in the game (it's been there since beta), the problem is well.
part 2.... The Jump Jet..and how it makes a complete joke out of fall damage, and hill scaling!
Ground Mechs have been repeatedly kicked in the face in this game, between the hill climbing nerfs, the introduction of canyons in particular, and now the severe increase in fall damage.
Yet Jump Jet Mechs, which are and have been utterly dominant for more than the last year, have remained relatively unscathed. THAT is why this patch is so awful, "but you SHOULD take damage from a fall! REALIZM!!!!" yeah no. At some point Game Balance has to come into play, ground pounders have had it rough for so long already, with the myriad of terrain climbing disadvantages alone, this was just another kick in the teeth for ground mechs, that was totally unnecessary. The worst part is, if you read the patch notes, it's pretty clear PGI was aiming for jump jet mechs in this change. It had nothing to do with a desire for further realism.
I miss feathered once (i'm drunk so sue me) but I think it's pretty obvious why this is stupid.
With a BARE MINIMUM of effort, (and a serious state of inebriation of it's pilot) a JJ mech can mitigate fall damage, which means it will survive longer in combat over all, over the long haul. Not only this, but it's always been able to deliver it's damage more quickly and readily on multi elevation maps such as canyons, compared to a ground pounder, to such an extent there's no comparison what so ever in their overall mobility. Even though one moves at 95 and the other at 96.
System is ok, needs tweaking, and is unfair on jumpjetless light mechs.
Used to leap off cliffs like this.
Honestly, when leaping off most ledges you can press X (all stop) to reduce the damage you take on the landing.
Or you can be more careful when going downhill like here.
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However, having tried a jumpjet mech at 90 tons, I stopped all potential damage by hitting the thrusters just two seconds before hitting the ground, by spamming the space button 3 times (I did brace the legs by doing a full stop as well using the X key).
It takes a bit too little to counter the fall damage.
The *only* thing Fall Damage Overhaul should've tried to do was make fall damage *proportionately* damaging to Light mechs. As in, you fall and hit the ground at X speed, you suffer Y *percentage* of damage to your legs. Instead of just having everyone take the same flat amount of damage, which was a greater percentage of a Light mech's leg health.
Dude bother dude.. It was PGI's fail the moment they thought the 20 TON difference between weight classes did not matter for the damage calculations.
OK no, I've heard enough...if you guys were jumping off of stuff that was taller than your mech and not taking damage before somehow...I don't even know how, because it was damaging my mechs- but it's over, you can't just jump off of things like a fool and not expect leg damage.
No it was more like we fell down "cliffs" that were so small that a trained commando (a human on foot- not the mech ) could have taken the fall and only been winded (thanks to knowing how to tuck and roll), which resulted in damage to our precious leg armor.
Now we're going to end up like Joker from Mass effect.
I have not had a chance to play t the new patch, what happened to the "1 full second airborne" rule, this alone should exclude all but the most self destructive non-jumpjet pilots.
I guess I am ok with this fall damage change making fall damage scale with size of mech but the Shock Absorbance module change from 80% to 35% for lights is garbage. My light moves almost 40% faster then most medium so when you go down any steep hill you get more air time = more damage. Yet the difference is 5% between the lights and mediums... Large mechs pretty much just slide down hills, poptarting is not affected by this change. Give me back 80% reduced fall damage for light much *with out* jump jets that is what the module was made for in my opinion.
Actually it is broken and it needs more work
we need another system like this but not this, it's all worked in one way and unpolished in the next it could use work because i jumped high off the mountain in alpine and landed straight on the flat ground with only light damage
i should have gotten red armor or more instead of yellow
Actually it is broken and it needs more work
we need another system like this but not this, it's all worked in one way and unpolished in the next it could use work because i jumped high off the mountain in alpine and landed straight on the flat ground with only light damage
i should have gotten red armor or more instead of yellow
After getting to play a bit myself, I'm happy to see the fall damage is not as bad as it was on the PTS. I can fall off the middle shelf near the river in Canyon with a light and take minimal damage...with 12 such jumps, my leg armor was only orange, where before I was legged at that point on the PTS even using the Shock Absorb module. Feathering the fall with jets totally negates the damage, so another benefit for JJ mechs. Now, with my Victor, I could poptart so that my arms reached above the height of a rock or building that was slightly taller than my mech (which covered me from enemy fire) and fall without feathering and still took no damage. The vertical velocity meter got close to 30, but not quite. Poptarting and JJs are still king, just as the OP said they would be...
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Pygar, on 02 July 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:
) could have taken the fall and only been winded (thanks to knowing how to tuck and roll), which resulted in damage to our precious leg armor.
