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[qki]

~20 games after the patch. Won 3. Got steamrolled 12-2 on all the others, because my teams just refused to stay alive, no matter what.

Went from 2-3 kill 300-500 damage games, to 100 damage games with no a whopping 4 kills to show for getting blown up 16 times (hey, you try to do damage with 8 enemies ganged up on you because your team managed to disappear in one big affing assplosion)

[TexAce]

I just had a brutal and very strategical pug/solo match, which actually ended in a tie (8 dead on our side, 8 dead on their side). Everyone else was alive but hold together by ducttape and good faith....MOAR OF THIS!!

[StandingInFire]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 03 July 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

An interesting observation, the values you used are extremely close and yet the variance number you arrived it is substantially higher than any of PGI's numbers, indicating that either the Matchmaker is extremely focused, and able to match remarkably narrow bands of Elo, or (more likely) we are seeing something else.

I can pretty much 100% guarantee you that as the picture was provided by PGI that it would be the case of narrow bands of Elo, it wouldn't make sense for them to show off anything else.

Now if the picture provided is an accurate cross section of matchmaker is anyone but PGi's guess as it could be a very good case or a standard case. I merely want people to stop complaining for the wrong reasons.

[Kyynele]

Deathlike, on 02 July 2014 - 02:51 PM, said:

It's "working", but not in any optimal way.

After playing mostly large groups yesterday, today I played solo extensively for several hours.

My experience was similar. The teams I dropped with were often of noticeably low quality. I did end up on the winning side in most of the matches; this isn't a complaint, it's an observation.

Spectating some of these guys that don't press R, don't know how to aim, go to stupid places, don't even notice enemy ECM mechs that walk in the middle of their screen in the open, and keep their machine guns and ERLLs in the same weapon group was quite something. Also, light pilots that stop before shooting.

I saw several matches in which at least 6 of my team members dealt under 50 damage each. Some of those matches we won (and not by capping). In one match, 3 non-disconnects in my team ended up dead with 0 damage (including a Timber Wolf). That's something I don't remember seeing before.

I guess most of the good players in small premades now get dragged to the group queue, likely the 8-12 mans have pretty high Elos, and they're needed there for balance. And perhaps most of the really good players are usually in premades of some sort? So the solo queue gets what's left - and it's likely much easier to find matching solo players for those not-so-great small premades.

[Karamarka]

So is ELO by Weight class or Mech? I saw someone post about it on the last page on this topic but it was not confirmed. If it's by mech than that is awful.

[Deathlike]

Karamarka, on 03 July 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

So is ELO by Weight class or Mech? I saw someone post about it on the last page on this topic but it was not confirmed. If it's by mech than that is awful.

It's weight class.

For instance, a Locust is treated the same as a Jenner/Firestarter/Raven in terms of Elo.

Technically, it's better if it was by mech, and particular variant. For instance, most people would do better in a Raven-3L than the 2X or F4...

But... whatever.

Edited by Deathlike, 03 July 2014 - 06:12 PM.

[draiocht]

stjobe, on 02 July 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

As you can see from the photo Bryan just shared on twitter, the new and improved match-maker is still kicking off matches with team Elo variances in excess of 1,000 points.

Broken system is broken.

Edit: Well, turns out that variance actually is rather remarkably good. I stand corrected.

Well... correction again. "Elo Variance" was colloquial variance, not statistical variance.

There's a 150(-) Elo in that set. Hope that player is now getting other 100s matched up....

Karl Berg, on 05 July 2014 - 11:34 AM, said:

Hey Cimarb, unfortunately those variance numbers are not true statistical variance values. Out of lazyness I was simply calculating highest Elo on team - lowest Elo on team, rather than a true normalized sum of differences from mean.

Those screenshots were also taken within the first hour of launch of the new matchmaker. We've gone through extensive tuning passes since, both to bring wait times vs percentage 3's games in-line with stakeholder expectations, and to significantly tighten up Elo matching as well.

[H Seldon]

So far most matches have been stomps, but I've been on the giving end lately. Though had one great match. We had 3 discos, so 9 vs 12. I knew there would be no way to win it. It was on therma and everyone just took off. There was no way I could keep up. So I'm in a Dire Wolf and one of the discos was a dire wolf. I got behind and slightly above the disco and powered down. A timber wolf started shooting at the dire wolf disco and I powered up and alpha'd him on CT. Went to yellow internals immediately. He had 3 more buddies, so made short work of him and then took out the centurian buddy. Then got the stormcrow which took out my left torso. Last one was an LRM dire wolf. If I hadn't lost that left torso, I would have taken him out too. But I got him to orange CT internals anyway. It was a great loss.

[Jolly Llama]

H Seldon, on 02 July 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

So far I've had 3 matches since the patch, 2-12, 3-12, 6-12. The 2-12 had 7 people that didn't break 100 and another 2 below 200. The 3-12 had 6 people less than 100 (I only did 168 that match) and the 6-12 had 4 with less than 100. What's funny is I was watching the last guy alive in the 6-12 loss. He was a cataphract 3D, did only 59 damage. Hell, I was playing without sound since wife was talking to me and I still did 610 damage (using gauss without sound is not easy). Are there that few of people that MM puts people that have played 2 years with people that have played maybe a week? My matches today before the patch were much better with 2 stomps (received one and gave one) out of 10 matches or so.

No, it is not working. It seems that solo matches are weighted more toward this stupid 3/3/3/3 system rather than ELO (skill). And 3/3/3/3 is definitely failing in the group servers because the majority of matches that I have played this past weekend have been well outside of the cookie cutter drop deck being forced on us.

I hope it continues to fail and we can be rid of it for good.

[TB Freelancer]

Dymlos2003, on 02 July 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

Yeah it's working just fine. Those matches prove that it's the players fault for losing not the matchmaker.

While its rare that I both out damage and out kill my 11 allies, outplaying the worst two lances by a wide margin is fairly common. It must always be my fault we didn't win. I guess I've gotta accept that I have to carry a lot harder....

Just how many retar...err...bad players am I supposed to make up for anyway? More than 10 feels like a bit much to me....

[MischiefSC]

Couple hundred games since patch.

Matchmaker has never, ever been better.

Group queue is freaking HARDCORE mode. You drop with some friends, you play to the team and not like pugs or you gonna get the bjesus kicked out of you 4 games out of 5.

Solo queue is actually gumby mode now - the problem is that so many people don't realize it.

No premades to carry or lead either side 9 times out of 10. If they're there, they're casuals, overjoyed to not have ended up as food for the group queue beast.

USE CHAT TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR TEAM.

PLAY AGGRESSIVELY, DON'T MILL AROUND AND WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO PUSH FOR ROLL. PUGS RARELY RESPOND WELL TO BEING RUSHED - MOST FREEZE OR RUN. IF YOU DON'T PUSH THE OTHER TEAM LIKELY WILL.

SHOOT THE GUY SHOOTING YOUR TEAMMATE, NOT THE GUY SHOOTING YOU WHEN YOU CAN. ODDS ARE GOOD HE WILL STAND THERE AND TAKE IT LIKE AN IDJIT.

KEEP MOVING. EVEN WHEN HOLDING AN AREA RUN A FIGURE EIGHT THROUGH YOUR DEFENSIVE ZONE, GENERALLY TWO OR MORE GRIDS LONG. THIS BREAKS ATTACKERS ATTENTION FROM YOU (MOST PUGS HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN OF A METHED UP SQUIRREL) AND PUTS YOU IN A POSITION TO ATTACK PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT EXPECTING YOU BUT ARE INSTEAD MONOFOCUSED ON YOUR TEAMMATE. QUIT POPPING FORWARD AND BACK FROM THE SAME LOCATION OR SAME AREA.

WHEN PUSHING IT IS BETTER TO RUN CLEAN PAST AN ENEMY POSITION AND INTO COVER BESIDE OR BEYOND IT THAN TO TRY TO STOP AND BACK UP. WHEN PUSHING IN HAVE AN ESCAPE ROUTE ADJACENT TO OR PAST THE GUY YOU'RE ATTACKING TO DIVERT TO. IF YOU ADVANCE USUALLY (HOPEFULLY!) YOUR TEAMMATES ARE BEHIND YOU MOVING IN AS WELL. YOU STOP AND BACK UP AND YOU BLUNT YOUR OWN ASSAULT. DON'T PLAN A PEAK AND SHOOT, PLAN A DRIVE-BY IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.