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[Panzerbjorn]

ENS Puskin, on 03 July 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Quote: The new matchmaker is designed to provide a fun, balanced match as quickly as possible. It does this by constructing team compositions with 3 of each weight class as well as a fair ELO rating for the teams.
I say: Bullshit! A 4 men group (maybe we had more groups in team but that does not matter) against 12 men group is fun only for 1 side and the balance is absolutely ****** up! And i have noticed that teams are often made with 4 assault, 4 heavy and 4 medium Mechs. In this case 4x3 is not the same as 3x4! How could you allow to mix small groups vs 12 men? Are you totaly insane or what? Fix this **** ASAP!!!

This is your FIRST complaint about the MM? Where the Hell have you been, man? Compared to the MM from 3 months ago, this is wonderful. ;D

[SVK Puskin]

Panzerbjorn, on 07 July 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

This is your FIRST complaint about the MM? Where the Hell have you been, man? Compared to the MM from 3 months ago, this is wonderful. ;D

I had an year brake and yes this MM sucks no matter what was 3 months ago!

[Jam the Bam]

Just a point, you were not up against 12 man's because they are not allowed to drop with more than 3 of any weight class so you certainly were not facing a 12 man with 4 of anything.

[SVK Puskin]

Jammerben87, on 08 July 2014 - 07:01 AM, said:

Just a point, you were not up against 12 man's because they are not allowed to drop with more than 3 of any weight class so you certainly were not facing a 12 man with 4 of anything.

****! Next time i will add a screenshot if you do not believe me! Yes we played vs 12 men group, they were from 1 clan and they introduced them selves!

[Jam the Bam]

ENS Puskin, on 08 July 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

****! Next time i will add a screenshot if you do not believe me! Yes we played vs 12 men group, they were from 1 clan and they introduced them selves!

Have you tried launching a 12 man? It doesn't let you ready up with more than 3 of any weight class.

If it has happened you need to screen shot it and submit it as a bug properly instead of whining on the forums.

Edited by Jammerben87, 08 July 2014 - 08:03 AM.

[SVK Puskin]

Jammerben87, on 08 July 2014 - 08:03 AM, said:

Have you tried launching a 12 man? It doesn't let you ready up with more than 3 of any weight class.

If it has happened you need to screen shot it and submit it as a bug properly instead of whining on the forums.

I know how 12 men group work and do you know how works group of 4 becuase i was in a group of 4 players, me and 3 friends + rest of the team vs 12 men group!!! Jesus! Quote(from patch notes): Groups of 2 to 4: ...When matched in a group queue they will be playing with groups of various compositions... What the hell are you talking about, trolling or what?

[JigglyMoobs]

I've been watching some of those stomps. The problem is not that your 4 man dropped vs a 12 man. The problem is that many of the competitive teams were dropping in groups larger than 4 mans with their friends, and they were smashing through 2 mans, 4 mans, 12 mans alike.

In fact, this happened to the 12 man queues in the old MM. A group of very competitive people would come on and other 12 man groups would get stomped 12-0 or 12-1, until the queue emptied out for the night.

It's not that their groups are bigger. It's just that they are better.

I'm not sure simple changes to MM would solve this situation. Maybe a change will develop where they will start playing even more private matches (they already play tons in the competitive leagues).

Edited by JigglyMoobs, 08 July 2014 - 12:56 PM.

[Kjudoon]

Simply put, there needs to be a 'small group' queue and a +5 queue. Ne'er should the twain meet, and the large groups should just be matched size on size.

5 v 5
7 v 7
5+7 v 12
5+5 v 10

That would be much more fun, breaks up the chances of the small groups being hung out to dry and stomped by the 8+ crowd.

[Kjudoon]

JigglyMoobs, on 08 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

I've been watching some of those stomps. The problem is not that your 4 man dropped vs a 12 man. The problem is that many of the competitive teams were dropping in groups larger than 4 mans with their friends, and they were smashing through 2 mans, 4 mans, 12 mans alike.

In fact, this happened to the 12 man queues in the old MM. A group of very competitive people would come on and other 12 man groups would get stomped 12-0 or 12-1, until the queue emptied out for the night.

It's not that their groups are bigger. It's just that they are better.

I'm not sure simple changes to MM would solve this situation. Maybe a change will develop where they will start playing even more private matches (they already play tons in the competitive leagues).

There's a LOT of truth to that. Had that happen more than once where I look at the other side and see 4 players I recognize from the leader boards from the last Faction tourney and then 8 probably newer or at least unknown players that dragged the elo down of these 4 elites to where they just roflstomp. Happened today when I hit a lance of obviously high skilled assault Jenners who did almost all the killing of my 7man team consisting of a large variation of skill. We had maybe 2 in the same elo catagory as those elites. The rest got blasted into scrap the instant the push came through.

This is going to be a problem when CW starts too. Low "elo" players get stomped while the high elo players run rampant. I also know I've been the beneficiary of this too, and I still don't like what I see.

Edited by Kjudoon, 08 July 2014 - 01:02 PM.

[SVK Puskin]

Kjudoon, on 08 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

Simply put, there needs to be a 'small group' queue and a +5 queue. Ne'er should the twain meet, and the large groups should just be matched size on size.

5 v 5
7 v 7
5+7 v 12
5+5 v 10

That would be much more fun, breaks up the chances of the small groups being hung out to dry and stomped by the 8+ crowd.

1 group will be in advantage becuase they can communicate between each other all but if a team has 2 groups(not on Teamspeak) as you mentioned could use only game chat to communicate between groups so this is not a good idea.

[SVK Puskin]

Today i've played in a 12 men group and if we faced a team of mixed groups we've always won and this simply proves that playing in small groups is pretty useless!

[JigglyMoobs]

ENS Puskin, on 08 July 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Today i've played in a 12 men group and if we faced a team of mixed groups we've always won and this simply proves that playing in small groups is pretty useless!

Depends strongly on how skilled you are and how good the mixed groups actually are as a team. For example, if we had a 12 man group on one side, and a 6 man of SJR + a 6 man of Lords on the other, which team do you think would win?

Edited by JigglyMoobs, 08 July 2014 - 01:56 PM.

[SVK Puskin]

JigglyMoobs, on 08 July 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Depends strongly on how skilled you are and how good the mixed groups actually are as a team. For example, if we had a 12 man group on one side, and a 6 man of SJR + a 6 man of Lords on the other, which team do you think would win?

We are not 1 of the best 12 men group and maybe you too so the answer is clear but this combination does not happen often probably becuase of the ELO.

Edited by ENS Puskin, 08 July 2014 - 02:05 PM.

[Jam the Bam]

ENS Puskin, on 08 July 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

I know how 12 men group work and do you know how works group of 4 becuase i was in a group of 4 players, me and 3 friends + rest of the team vs 12 men group!!! Jesus! Quote(from patch notes): Groups of 2 to 4: ...When matched in a group queue they will be playing with groups of various compositions... What the hell are you talking about, trolling or what?

NO, actually read it, go and get a group of 12 together and try to launch with more than 3 of any weight class. It shouldn't let you, simple as that, if it does then its an error and you need to submit it as a bug. You say the other team had more than 3 of each weight class AND was a 12 man, this should not be allowed to happen. We get the point that you are annoyed, now do something useful about it.

From the patch notes: http://mwomercs.com/...02-02-jul-2014/
Groups 5 to 10 and 12[color=#00FFFF]: Larger groups now will be dropping in the group queue (formerly the 12 player queue). Teams will need to respect the 4x3 weight composition in order to launch and will be matched against other grouped players.[/color]

Note the bit about respecting the 4x3 composition, if that has been broken then it is a bug.

Edited by Jammerben87, 09 July 2014 - 12:20 AM.

[SVK Puskin]

Jammerben87, on 09 July 2014 - 12:20 AM, said:

NO, actually read it, go and get a group of 12 together and try to launch with more than 3 of any weight class. It shouldn't let you, simple as that, if it does then its an error and you need to submit it as a bug. You say the other team had more than 3 of each weight class AND was a 12 man, this should not be allowed to happen. We get the point that you are annoyed, now do something useful about it.

From the patch notes: http://mwomercs.com/...02-02-jul-2014/
Groups 5 to 10 and 12[color=#00FFFF]: Larger groups now will be dropping in the group queue (formerly the 12 player queue). Teams will need to respect the 4x3 weight composition in order to launch and will be matched against other grouped players.[/color]

Note the bit about respecting the 4x3 composition, if that has been broken then it is a bug.

Ok finally i found the problem in our communication! Yes i have noticed that sometimes there are teams which has more than 3 Mechs from a weight class so you are right it is a bug but the main point of this topic is that 12 men groups are able to play vs mix of various groups and in my case i was in a 4 men group + something vs 12 men. Playing now in small groups is quite painfull and frustrating. I speak for my clan but i am sure we are not the only ones that have this bad experience. I hope they fix it ASAP becuase this is bullshit!

[Jam the Bam]

ENS Puskin, on 09 July 2014 - 07:08 AM, said:

Ok finally i found the problem in our communication! Yes i have noticed that sometimes there are teams which has more than 3 Mechs from a weight class so you are right it is a bug but the main point of this topic is that 12 men groups are able to play vs mix of various groups and in my case i was in a 4 men group + something vs 12 men. Playing now in small groups is quite painfull and frustrating. I speak for my clan but i am sure we are not the only ones that have this bad experience. I hope they fix it ASAP becuase this is bullshit!

Make sure you get screens of bad weight matching and submit them, I'm trying to do the same.

Otherwise yeh it sucks sometimes but to be honest I'm not sure what they can do about it, some people want to run 12 man's but there are simply a few teams which dominate which made the old 12 man queue dead, people would keep running into the uber competitive groups and get steamrolled over and over so people stopped dropping in it.

The matchmaker is meant to try to match similar sized groups first then smaller versus larger, if (big if) its functioning correctly then it means the online population is simply not big enough to match them correctly. Then again knowing PGI its probably not working.

[SVK Puskin]

Jammerben87, on 10 July 2014 - 12:55 AM, said:

Make sure you get screens of bad weight matching and submit them, I'm trying to do the same.

Otherwise yeh it sucks sometimes but to be honest I'm not sure what they can do about it, some people want to run 12 man's but there are simply a few teams which dominate which made the old 12 man queue dead, people would keep running into the uber competitive groups and get steamrolled over and over so people stopped dropping in it.

The matchmaker is meant to try to match similar sized groups first then smaller versus larger, if (big if) its functioning correctly then it means the online population is simply not big enough to match them correctly. Then again knowing PGI its probably not working.

Understand and i think the best way how to fix all this problems is the lobby system, private matches has the lobby system so they did not have to build it from the ground. Some changes to the lobby system are needed but it should not be a problem. The private time is questionable but i really see positives in this idea. My idea is to keep the matchmaker for solo queue only and the the lobby system for players in groups. I am going to give them my suggestion about this.

[Panzerbjorn]

I'm wondering if the OP can cry harder. Your tears are delicious. And your posts are so full of whine. The people who are paying for this game like the new queue and you're a crybaby - either join a bigger outfit and drop in bigger groups with coms or go back to solo PUGs. Throwing tantrums isn't going to make PGI change a thing, but we will troll you on the forums for being a little brat, and you deserve it.

[Marvyn Dodgers]

Okay folks, y'all earned the move closer to the nesting area

[SVK Puskin]

Panzerbjorn, on 11 July 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

I'm wondering if the OP can cry harder. Your tears are delicious. And your posts are so full of whine. The people who are paying for this game like the new queue and you're a crybaby - either join a bigger outfit and drop in bigger groups with coms or go back to solo PUGs. Throwing tantrums isn't going to make PGI change a thing, but we will troll you on the forums for being a little brat, and you deserve it.

Pojeb sa ty kokot!!!