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[Triordinant]

I'm happy MWO isn't much of a twitch shooter. At 53, my twitching is not what it used to be...

Edited by Triordinant, 08 July 2014 - 01:15 PM.

[MechWarrior5152251]

Had a 75 year old woman in my wow raid guild. Her reflexes were the least of her problems. Old women are not great thinkers.

[SprechenSieSexy]

Vyrago, on 08 July 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

My personal guess is that MWO players lean towards being a bit older. Battletech/Mechwarrior is from the late 80s/90s/00s. Most younger kids would rather play Titanfall, COD, League of Legends and other more 'twitchy' style of games. I showed an MWO video to my 15 year old cousin....he laughed and said "lame", then walked away.

I strongly disagree.
The amount of "L2P", "*******", "noobs", etc. going on during matches leads me to believe most players are twitch kiddies, spending their allowance on 'mechs.
On the forums... maybe an older crowd, that has read all the awful novellas and are really invested in the universe?
Though many seem elitist on the forums as well, and I despise them just as much as the brats.
I hope this game sees the playerbase shift towards the 14-20 year demographic. It'd benefit the game immensely.

[Screech]

I would imagine that MWO would be much like golf or bowling, except that golfers/bowlers being in much better shape.

[El Bandito]

With age comes treachery and all that.

[Bishop Steiner]

SprechenSieSexy, on 08 July 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

I strongly disagree.
The amount of "L2P", "*******", "noobs", etc. going on during matches leads me to believe most players are twitch kiddies, spending their allowance on 'mechs.
On the forums... maybe an older crowd, that has read all the awful novellas and are really invested in the universe?
Though many seem elitist on the forums as well, and I despise them just as much as the brats.
I hope this game sees the playerbase shift towards the 14-20 year demographic. It'd benefit the game immensely.

IDK, it just feeds my belief, that on the internet, in anonymity, one shaves an average of 15-20 years from their real age, to their "internet maturity" age.

Just read the comments on any online newspaper article and find the toxic, small minded political rants the regulars that lurk under the bridges there toss out, even if the bloody article is talking about kittens, it becomes an Lib vs Con, or Murica vs Euro idiot fest, every time, guaranteed.

Of course, basic manners,and maturity seem to be disappearing at an alarming rate IRL too, so who knows, is it the Internet reflecting IRL, or is IRl being eroded by the no consequence, troll infested poor spelling and no grammar environ of the Intrawebz?

I used to actually be a much better speller, and used better grammar, before I was online----- I blame spell check!

[SprechenSieSexy]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 July 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

IDK, it just feeds my belief, that on the internet, in anonymity, one shaves an average of 15-20 years from their real age, to their "internet maturity" age.

Just read the comments on any online newspaper article and find the toxic, small minded political rants the regulars that lurk under the bridges there toss out, even if the bloody article is talking about kittens, it becomes an Lib vs Con, or Murica vs Euro idiot fest, every time, guaranteed.

Of course, basic manners,and maturity seem to be disappearing at an alarming rate IRL too, so who knows, is it the Internet reflecting IRL, or is IRl being eroded by the no consequence, troll infested poor spelling and no grammar environ of the Intrawebz?

I used to actually be a much better speller, and used better grammar, before I was online----- I blame spell check!

Well, as a new player I experience 80% abuse in-game.
I'm a liablility, and I get so much chat abuse from my team. I have yet to find a more detestable community than the MWO community (although in-game, forums are a mix of the good, the bad and the ugly).

I wanted a mature game, but I haven't found it in MWO.
Just abuse, elitism and leetspeak.

Again, that is in-game.

[El Bandito]

SprechenSieSexy, on 08 July 2014 - 01:36 PM, said:

Well, as a new player I experience 80% abuse in-game. I'm a liablility, and I get so much chat abuse from my team. I have yet to find a more detestable community than the MWO community (although in-game, forums are a mix of the good, the bad and the ugly). I wanted a mature game, but I haven't found it in MWO. Just abuse, elitism and leetspeak. Again, that is in-game.

Then clearly we are playing a different game. MWO has much cleaner community than popular MOBA or FPS games--in game and out. Most of the times the chat is pretty chill. Except for that guy who just died to LRMs and is crying non-stop.

Edited by El Bandito, 08 July 2014 - 01:41 PM.

[SprechenSieSexy]

El Bandito, on 08 July 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Then clearly we are playing a different game. MWO has much cleaner community than popular MOBA or FPS games--in game and out. Most of the times the chat is pretty chill. Except for that guy who just died to LRMs and is crying non-stop.

Are you playing solo, or against groups?

I've not played this game long, and I just hate the in-game community. It's always the same mouth-breathing elitist trolls.
Not even CoD has such foul mouthed players.

[El Bandito]

SprechenSieSexy, on 08 July 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:

Are you playing solo, or against groups? I've not played this game long, and I just hate the in-game community. It's always the same mouth-breathing elitist trolls. Not even CoD has such foul mouthed players.

I have been playing MWO mostly solo for over 2 years. I am also a 4 year LoL veteran, 8 year DotA veteran and 14 year Counter-Strike veteran. MWO has better community than anyone of those.

I personally encountered elitist attitudes mostly from groups. Solo players are usually chill. Sure, they won't hold your hands, but they don't say GG at the first sign of trouble.

Edited by El Bandito, 08 July 2014 - 01:54 PM.

[Bilbo]

These graphs adequately explain why I suck at this game. I approve.

[SprechenSieSexy]

El Bandito, on 08 July 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

I have been playing MWO mostly solo for over 2 years. I am also a 4 year LoL veteran, 8 year DoTA veteran and 14 year Counter-Strike veteran. MWO has better community than anyone of those.

I personally encountered elitist attitudes mostly from groups. Solo players are usually chill.

Then the attitude towards new players must have shifted over those 2 years.
The only thing still holding me to this game is the fact that I spent money on "MC-bills".
I don't have any friends that play this game, I don't play in groups.

If you have any tactical adult games I should know about (ArmA doesn't count), please let me know.

[El Bandito]

SprechenSieSexy, on 08 July 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

Then the attitude towards new players must have shifted over those 2 years. The only thing still holding me to this game is the fact that I spent money on "MC-bills". I don't have any friends that play this game, I don't play in groups. If you have any tactical adult games I should know about (ArmA doesn't count), please let me know.

Well, I encourage you to play the game with a chat group. Not only you get to learn the game faster, you might enjoy it differently. There are plenty of casual chat servers online.

Simplest advice I can give to new players is: "Don't be a hero". One can learn much more by hanging near the back of the pack.

Edited by El Bandito, 08 July 2014 - 02:03 PM.

[SprechenSieSexy]

El Bandito, on 08 July 2014 - 01:59 PM, said:

Well, I encourage you to play the game with a chat group. Not only you get to learn the game faster, you might enjoy it differently. There are plenty of casual chat servers online.

Simplest advice I can give to new players is: "Don't be a hero".

When I first thought about playing this game, it was advertised as "the thinking man's shooter".
It's basically a lemming simulator, with ER Large lasers, ER PPCs, Gauss and then the Clan mechs (To quote the owners of Clan packs: "Not OP, guys!") with so many ACs that my Stalker gets killed in under 5 seconds - only to be bombarded in chat with comments like "L2P", "sit down, *****", "noob teammate". **** the community.
Joining any group just to play a game is drastic. I was in a clan for a few years, and the amount of elitism in the clan sapped the fun out of the game.
I just want to have fun without having to play the game for months just to "learn", because PGI are too lazy to implement a MM that works, and pump out vanity content instead of real tutorials.

When people are rude to me in game, I'm rude right back. I don't care anymore, it's all the same and nothing matters in this game. Winning after a 10+ losing streak feels like a loss, because I will end up on a losing streak the next time I press "play".
I cannot recommend this game to anyone at all.

[Lyoto Machida]

SprechenSieSexy, on 08 July 2014 - 01:36 PM, said:

Well, as a new player I experience 80% abuse in-game.
I'm a liablility, and I get so much chat abuse from my team. I have yet to find a more detestable community than the MWO community (although in-game, forums are a mix of the good, the bad and the ugly).

I wanted a mature game, but I haven't found it in MWO.
Just abuse, elitism and leetspeak.

Again, that is in-game.

Must be your first online game ever...you'll get used to it.

[XX Sulla XX]

My best estimate is that MWO is a bit slower than the fastest twitch games but is still a LOT faster than games where age does not matter. I would bet the top 10% of players not just people on those teams are 35 or below. As for the biggest part of the ELO in the middle in pugs it is so slow age does not matter much.

[SprechenSieSexy]

Lyoto Machida, on 08 July 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

Must be your first online game ever...you'll get used to it.

It is my first online game where I am forced to play against players much more experienced than me.
In games like battlefield, Red Orchestra, etc. the veteran players didn't matter as much because the core mechanics were easy and fun. I can navigate menus in other games without having to watch a ******* two-part youtube video first.
I'll never get used to playing something I outright don't like, just because I was foolish enough to spend money on it.
Right now I'm sitting on the forums instead of playing the game, browsing the vast amounts of "L2P" posts.

I haven't seen as many japanophiles here as I have in other games, though. Thank god.

[Jman5]

Those graphs are not very helpful at illustrating the point. All it says is that the majority of your playerbase, are in a certain age range which will result in them dominating every level of skill. Also, I can't find how many people they had at different age groups. It seems like the number of 31-44 year olds sample were pretty small.

A more relevant graph would break it down by percentage for each age. So what percentage of 20 year olds are bronze/silver/gold/platinum/diamond/master.

One interesting graph is this one:


The colors represent the various leagues and the Y value is the reaction time. As you can guess the bottom line is Master and the top is Bronze. What I find interesting is that the reaction time of older people in higher leagues are still way better than the optimum age in the division just beneath them.

What this tells me is that reaction time is largely a metric of skill/practice. So while reaction time probably gets worse as you age, there is no apparent boundary where you're just too old to compete. You can still be 44 and have quicker reaction time than 99% of the playerbase.

[Bilbo]

Jman5, on 08 July 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Those graphs are not very helpful at illustrating the point. All it says is that the majority of your playerbase, are in a certain age range which will result in them dominating every level of skill. Also, I can't find how many people they had at different age groups. It seems like the number of 31-44 year olds sample were pretty small.

A more relevant graph would break it down by percentage for each age. So what percentage of 20 year olds are bronze/silver/gold/platinum/diamond/master.

One interesting graph is this one:


The colors represent the various leagues and the Y value is the reaction time. As you can guess the bottom line is Master and the top is Bronze. What I find interesting is that the reaction time of older people in higher leagues are still way better than the optimum age in the division just beneath them.

What this tells me is that reaction time is largely a metric of skill/practice. So while reaction time probably gets worse as you age, there is no apparent boundary where you're just too old to compete. You can still be 44 and have quicker reaction time than 99% of the playerbase.

Now you're raining on my parade. I was perfectly happy with this explanation of my suckage.

[Jman5]

Bilbo, on 08 July 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

Now you're raining on my parade. I was perfectly happy with this explanation of my suckage.

Cheer up grandpa, there's hope for you yet!

Edited by Jman5, 08 July 2014 - 02:52 PM.