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Livewyr, on 13 July 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

I would have thought that this is something easily "solved."

Fact: Clan Streak Short Range Missile 6-Packs, themselves, have a recycle time of 7 seconds.
(Verifiable bit of information by an accountable resource: Tool-tip in mech.)

Opinion: CSSRMs have a long recycle.
(Relative adjective.)


Any questions?

none

Noesis, on 13 July 2014 - 03:33 AM, said:

You can perceive reality as a collection of your own empirical observations and what those represent. But it is not the sum of all reality, nor is it the sum of all your experience or relationship with the subject material as you say.

In this sense, someone else may be only experiencing or have experienced one extreme or exception of your own found evidence. Also remembering that errors can occur in some case based on interpretation or it may be disguised due to a lack of precision or skewed in context due to other unrecognised factors or due to the translation we placed on the evidence provided. But the experience and association of value or relevance here can then be diminished and perceived as different due how it has been "judged".

This then why judgement is usually the result of taking in all known or presented observations and "forming" an opinion which then also includes its relevance, value and association to yourself and combining it with other existing "truths" you may have already formulated. The key word there being "forming" as it is still a construct of our truth as best we understand it and still not absolute truth. Hence I guess the term "forming an opinion".

Rational inquiry however is still important to debate and the use of objectivity (factual content) then able to distinquish or remove either the impossible or the absurd, but the "judgement" or conclusions we make are based on how we "best" understand things and their relevance to us and what we already value or believe, but it may not be the absolute truth.

Perception Is a dangerous thing. on a forum it can be harmless enough, I see what you are saying.

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Livewyr, on 13 July 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

I would have thought that this is something easily "solved."

Fact: Clan Streak Short Range Missile 6-Packs, themselves, have a recycle time of 7 seconds.
(Verifiable bit of information by an accountable resource: Tool-tip in mech.)

Opinion: CSSRMs have a long recycle.
(Relative adjective.)


Any questions?

Yes but from a literal interpretation 7 seconds is not a year so it could be perceived as not a long time.

Also it does not include whether the length of time is adequate for the purposes as their are other "relative" qualities of an CSSRM that prescribes the need for these timings to be longer (equivalent DPS in MWO). So as an opinion I could say based on similar evidence (from the same kind of resource) that qualifies the understanding of the use of CSSRMs having a recycle time that is "just right" or "fit for purpose" as a result. This despite the fact that "numerically" the value of the recycle time is more than other weapons by comparison.

In context it then depends on the value or significance placed on the meaning of "long" to determine what you are trying to say. This despite it being portrayed as a relative term as it is by the appropriate interpretation in context that determines the meaning. So the opinion is not a wrong statement, but you could say it was "incomplete".

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Noesis, on 13 July 2014 - 05:06 AM, said:

Yes but from a literal interpretation 7 seconds is not a year so it could be perceived as not a long time.

Also it does not include whether the length of time is adequate for the purposes as their are other "relative" qualities of an CSSRM that prescribes the need for these timings to be longer (equivalent DPS in MWO). So as an opinion I could say based on similar evidence (from the same kind of resource) that qualifies the understanding of the use of CSSRMs having a recycle time that is "just right" or "fit for purpose" as a result. This despite the fact that "numerically" the value of the recycle time is more than other weapons by comparison.

In context it then depends on the value or significance placed on the meaning of "long" to determine what you are trying to say. This despite it being portrayed as a relative term as it is by the appropriate interpretation in context that determines the meaning. So the opinion is not a wrong statement, but you could say it was "incomplete".

If your goal was to agree with me, then you have thoroughly succeeded.
My statement was simply to differentiate between what is fact, and what is opinion.

Whether an opinion is "right" or "wrong" is entirely up to the perception of the audience, and therefore is not fact either way.

Opinions cannot be wrong, as they are not accountable- however, the facts (or in many cases, perceptions) that they are based on can be proven incorrect or baseless. If this is so, the opinion becomes valueless and should be discarded by all parties. (Unfortunately, all to often, that is not the case...forums or otherwise.)

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I do not know if opinions can be wrong or right; However i still believe an opinion can be a false one. No matter how much I look at the sun and bend it to their reality, It still will always be what it is. Hence why the ancient Greek opinion that the sun was driven by Helios, I hope i am remembering correct. The reality of the individual is what they shape it to be but if it does not match up with what actually exist then it is a false reality they have made for themselves. Only to be shaped by the existent of the world around them. Hence when science came around the idea that the world was flat was proven false. That ideology was a realty for many, changed by science. So what happens when your reality does not match up with what actually is.

If I said or called something lazy, In my mind I may make that a truth. In my reality my opinion is sound. Only to be proven by the reality of what actually is. calling an ant lazy would be an incorrect fact. Even if I am proven otherwise, my sense of reality may not change on an individual level but the world does not play by my rules.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 13 July 2014 - 05:31 AM.

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