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[Creovex]

@OP

I feel your pain. Since the release of Radar Deprivation I have removed most AMS for this very reason. However I do run the 3x AMS Kitfox for the pure goal of being a missIle shield for the big boys on the team.

[9erRed]

Greetings all,

Currently the AMS detects missiles at around 800m but can only engage them from around 200m, and apparently this device 'doesn't see walls or obstructing terrain'.
- Most of the reason for the ammo being used up and it's ability to physically shoot through overhead cover.
- IF we had the ability to 'deactivate' this automatic device it might, MIGHT save some ammo.

It's not the job of the Pilot to turn this unit on and off, it should only be firing when it has a clear sight of the incoming missiles. This is LOS and detection code issues, directly linked to the method it uses to find and engage targets. And not the fact it's always firing.
- If this AMS only fired at missiles 'in sight' it should last the entire match, depending on the number of LOS targets.

We should not be looking at a method to 'turn off' this automatic defence devise, but rather get the Dev.'s to 'fix the code' and LOS issues.
- Karl should be right down this lane with what is needed and how it can be implemented, or at least what problems we are seeing now.
[AMS detection speed, engagement speed, Missile speed, LOS, intervening Terrain, client position, server calculated locations.]

9erRed

[Alexander Horne]

I have seen it shoot at missiles above ground through the roof of tunnels, this should be fixed.

[Escef]

Enzlaved, on 13 July 2014 - 01:45 AM, said:

not even half a minute in combat and all AMS ammo (2000) is gone..

doesnt matter if i'm standing in a tunnel/ basement (HPG Manifold) or something else, this thing
fires out all the ammo within seconds.

I/WE need a fix for that. Either it should shoot down ONLY the rockets targeting me or implement a button to toggle it on/off.... Like it is right now = useless!

I'm just amazed he managed to make it through this tantrum without resorting to hate speech, like he does in game.

[Thrudvangar]

Kilo 40, on 13 July 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

I understand what you're saying perfectly. I'm just saying you're full of BS.



I used AMS for well over a year, and only stopped using it after the clans were released, so I'm well aware of how much ammo it uses and how quickly, which is why I'm saying you're greatly exaggerating how quickly it's used up.

I would not complain and open a thread about it when it didnt happened to me in like every game...

Maybe i shouldnt care about AMS too but it can make the difference and i liked it so far. I just dont get it why the ammo depletes so fast right now. Looks like i am not the only one having this problem with it so i dont understand why you ignore the fact that AMS is almost useless at present... ill make a video today or tomorrow and post it here after i get off work...

[Thrudvangar]

Escef, on 13 July 2014 - 06:20 PM, said:

I'm just amazed he managed to make it through this tantrum without resorting to hate speech, like he does in game.

If you had so many bad games in a row with so many idiots and cowards in your team like me, you would have getting angry too.
Those games all had the same schematics and this was getting on my nerves. People just cant use their brains and that makes me sick, especially when my time to play is very limited because of work and family.

Sorry when i sounded harsh in that match.

Back to topic please.

[Wolfways]

Alexander Horne, on 13 July 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

I have seen it shoot at missiles above ground through the roof of tunnels, this should be fixed.

Even if AMS is firing through roofs it is still hitting missiles that are heading for a teammate. Isn't that the point of them?
Unless of course you think AMS should only protect the mech it is mounted on.

[Kilo 40]

Enzlaved, on 13 July 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

Maybe i shouldnt care about AMS too but it can make the difference and i liked it so far. I just dont get it why the ammo depletes so fast right now. Looks like i am not the only one having this problem with it so i dont understand why you ignore the fact that AMS is almost useless at present... ill make a video today or tomorrow and post it here after i get off work...

you do understand that you're essentially saying AMS is useless because it's shooting down missiles really fast, don't you?

[Lynx7725]

I think I'll just encourage people who thinks AMS is useless to stop carrying them. It's probably faster that way.

[Escef]

Enzlaved, on 13 July 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

If you had so many bad games in a row with so many idiots and cowards in your team like me, you would have getting angry too.
Those games all had the same schematics and this was getting on my nerves. People just cant use their brains and that makes me sick, especially when my time to play is very limited because of work and family.

Sorry when i sounded harsh in that match.

Back to topic please.

That is no excuse for hate speech. I don't care if you are sorry, not that I believe it anyway.

Edited by Escef, 14 July 2014 - 04:12 AM.

[Thrudvangar]

Kilo 40, on 14 July 2014 - 02:30 AM, said:

you do understand that you're essentially saying AMS is useless because it's shooting down missiles really fast, don't you?

good point if it would shoot down all missiles. i thought that it will shoot down only like 12 of a lrm 20 volley, then has a short cooldown until it can fire again. Again, i had no problems with AMS before the clans showed up, not even at this (i hate this word) "LRMAgeddon" a few months ago. So whats the point? Do clan LRMs fire faster, does it needs more AMS rounds to shoot down one missile or is it just dumbfiring in the direction of the missiles? i dont get it!

Escef, on 14 July 2014 - 04:12 AM, said:

That is no excuse for hate speech. I don't care if you are sorry, not that I believe it anyway.

well...... believe what you want., i dont care either.

[Escef]

Enzlaved, on 14 July 2014 - 04:59 AM, said:

well...... believe what you want., i dont care either.

I know you don't. And if I ever see you doing that while I'm streaming, I'll highlight it and report you. Maybe then you will care. For the wrong reasons, but, hey, baby-steps.

[anonymous161]

I rarely ever used ams myself just don't see the big point of it, I rather hide behind cover until the missil rain goes down enough for me to get closer.

[Heeden]

Enzlaved, on 13 July 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

If you had so many bad games in a row with so many idiots and cowards in your team like me, you would have getting angry too.
Those games all had the same schematics and this was getting on my nerves. People just cant use their brains and that makes me sick, especially when my time to play is very limited because of work and family.

Sorry when i sounded harsh in that match.

Back to topic please.

I've had runs of many bad matches and never resorted to anger, I especially didn't start calling people idiots or cowards. If playing does start to get frustrating I turn off the game and do something else.

It's not the fault of other players that they're inexperienced or just plain not-very-good. There's a fine line between what you call cowardice and being suicidal and, depending on the position of yours and the enemy's team, it can be difficult to see where that line is.

If I find myself with a team that doesn't gel well, or facing an enemy with an overwhelming number of "unfair" load-outs, I just do the best I can in that situation. W/L and K/D means nothing to me, all that matters is the decisions I make and how well I perform given the hand I'm dealt.

[Alexander Horne]

Wolfways, on 13 July 2014 - 11:51 PM, said:

Even if AMS is firing through roofs it is still hitting missiles that are heading for a teammate. Isn't that the point of them?
Unless of course you think AMS should only protect the mech it is mounted on.

I think it is silly that an AMS bullet can burrow through a tunnel roof.

[Wolfways]

Alexander Horne, on 14 July 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

I think it is silly that an AMS bullet can burrow through a tunnel roof.

Oh yeah i agree. But there is so much stuff that PGI has done wrong that i consider AMS shooting through terrain (yet still doing what it is supposed to) a minor complaint.
I'd rather they did stuff like fix ECM, make more maps, etc.

As for using AMS, i stopped a while ago, and don't use any other counters. There are so many counters for a weapon that can only really be used at about half of its max range because of the pathetic missile speed, and does 1.10 damage/missile which is spread, and there's a warning!
I'd laugh if i didn't want LRM's to be viable

Edited by Wolfways, 14 July 2014 - 11:00 AM.

[Thrudvangar]

Escef, on 14 July 2014 - 05:16 AM, said:

I know you don't. And if I ever see you doing that while I'm streaming, I'll highlight it and report you. Maybe then you will care. For the wrong reasons, but, hey, baby-steps.

yeah take me to TV!! lol.
who do you think you are?

i dont care about what you or someone else think about me, you dont know me. and if you think that i care about *uhhhh* your streams when i talk some trash... you're wrong. i dont give a ****, sorry, wannabe.

[Thrudvangar]

Heeden, on 14 July 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

I've had runs of many bad matches and never resorted to anger, I especially didn't start calling people idiots or cowards. If playing does start to get frustrating I turn off the game and do something else.

It's not the fault of other players that they're inexperienced or just plain not-very-good. There's a fine line between what you call cowardice and being suicidal and, depending on the position of yours and the enemy's team, it can be difficult to see where that line is.

If I find myself with a team that doesn't gel well, or facing an enemy with an overwhelming number of "unfair" load-outs, I just do the best I can in that situation. W/L and K/D means nothing to me, all that matters is the decisions I make and how well I perform given the hand I'm dealt.

true but i can expect that ppl inform themselves just a little how something works before going into a game and doing nothing but nonsense. I'm not complaining about new players or players who are not "good"... Good is relative. i'm complaining about idiots who just refuse to learn and give the team something back. i'm not going into a match with a new mech or new loadout or as a complete "newbie" without trying it out before in the testing grounds AND/OR read something about weapon minimung ranges. Also i dont fire on alpha after another finding myself overheated every single time but just keep pushing the same button. And everybody knows those cowards who rush up to the circle entrances on Terra Therma just to STOP suddenly on top of the way up, blocking each other, firing each others back, jumping around likes rabbits on XTC searching a way out of this bad single spider MG fire..... this is what makes me angry.

i dont care about W/L or K/D ratio, it is really bad i think. But i'm always trying to be a step in front of the enemy when it comes to tactical thinking and, sorry, 90% of the players are just too stupid to even think about a flanking maneuver when it comes to the situation i described above. NO! they keep standing/jumping there and firing everybodys back for the case they COULD hit the spider ONCE.

Now thats the point in the game where i usually died because i was flanking or searching a better position (also informing the team via teamchat) with one or two others who are not complete brainless zombies and we got overwhelmed, then i have time to sepctate the idiots.

Edited by Enzlaved, 15 July 2014 - 07:23 AM.

[Zerberus]

CheeseThief, on 13 July 2014 - 02:04 AM, said:

Or people could be rewarded for shooting down missiles so people take a decent amount of AMS ammo for once.

THIS!

OMG yes THIS!

Not necessarily the reward, as survival is it`s own reward, but YES! Quit halfassing it and only taking 1 ton of ammo for 3 AMS and expecting it to last for 15 minutes.

Edited by Zerberus, 15 July 2014 - 07:41 AM.

[Escef]

Enzlaved, on 15 July 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:

yeah take me to TV!! lol.
who do you think you are?

i dont care about what you or someone else think about me, you dont know me. and if you think that i care about *uhhhh* your streams when i talk some trash... you're wrong. i dont give a ****, sorry, wannabe.

I'd highlight it to provide evidence for a support ticket. I will report you for hate speech next time I see you pull that crap. If you LIKE the idea of possibly having your account suspended, cool.