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[Jorill]

So I'm trying to pick a medium chasis to start working on and not sure where to start. I almost exclusively play lights, so I'm trying to find something thats on the faster end/mobile but will let me get a bit more firepower in there.

So far it seems either Griffin, Shadowhawk, or Trebuchet. Anyone who plays alot of mediums or has experience with these chassis have a recommendation? Or is there something else I should be considering?

[Mcgral18]

I would recomend the BlackJack over the Treb, much smaller, fast and many have JJs available.

ShadowHawks are good choices, though I haven't used any of the other 55 tonners.

[Sephlock]

*Didn't even bother reading the post*

Shadow Hawk.

*Read the post*

Shadow Hawk.

Run it with a pure Silver paint job and put this on a loop while you jump jet around:

[Cyborne Elemental]

BJ-1, BJ-A both excellent Mediums.
BJ-1 having support for AC-20 + 3Medlas or Gauss + 4 Medlas on XL 200-225-235 is very versatile mech.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...50ce0de3f93437c
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5e564631c187af9
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e70e0c42ff49f57

Griffin is also a great medium to play with.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...87ea8a50631a907
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ed8c882998bff42


Shadowhawk is still champ of mediums though IMO.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9a5c8be4f473288
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ac290b67cf0502f
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...63d7730a47974ac
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...83bd9c3259a93d1

Edited by Mister D, 12 July 2014 - 03:40 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Griffin.

SRMs and ACs are what the IS does better than the Clans. The Shawk isn't what it used to be and while the BJ can pack an AC20 and JJs, it doesn't take abuse well at all, it's not a forgiving mech.

Griffins however can be a beast. SRM4As, 2 JJs, engines of 275-300XL (300 being my preference), ERLL/MLs depending on the chassis. You essentially brawling poptart with those SRMs. Their best convergence is actually 70-120m. Keep people at that range, learn to lead the SRMs a bit, jump, pivot, shoot, drop. Use the lasers at range beyond that. Don't waste SRMs at ~200-300m. It's tempting... but don't. Ammo is a premium.

Be patient in the early match. Stick with your heavies. Wait for things to close, then move in and blow **** up. If someone is focusing on you, cut back to your main group and circle the other way to attack people who are not recognizing you as a target.

Mediums are in a bad place right now. This particular setup is one they do well and the Griffin is one of the best. IMO the Griffin is the best IS medium at the moment. The top of the heap is the Stormcrow.

[MonkeyCheese]

Jorill, on 12 July 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

So I'm trying to pick a medium chasis to start working on and not sure where to start. I almost exclusively play lights, so I'm trying to find something thats on the faster end/mobile but will let me get a bit more firepower in there.

So far it seems either Griffin, Shadowhawk, or Trebuchet. Anyone who plays alot of mediums or has experience with these chassis have a recommendation? Or is there something else I should be considering?

Mcgral18, on 12 July 2014 - 03:10 PM, said:

I would recomend the BlackJack over the Treb, much smaller, fast and many have JJs available.

ShadowHawks are good choices, though I haven't used any of the other 55 tonners.

Agreed try the blackjack. If you are into light mechs and already have a 295xl engine then the blackjack 1x is a good place to start 106.9kph non speed tweaked max engine with 20 tons to play with for weapons and heatsinks http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e8b6db0acc74399

it has no jumpjets tho

Edited by MonkeyCheese, 12 July 2014 - 03:17 PM.

[Rhaythe]

Another vote for Blackjack.

[Sephlock]

Mister D, on 12 July 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

BJ-1, BJ-A both excellent Mediums.
BJ-1 having support for AC-20 + 3Medlas or Gauss + 4 Medlas on XL 200-225-235 is very versatile mech.

Griffin is also a great medium to play with.

Shadowhawk is still champ of mediums though IMO.

I would have recommended the BJ, except

1: The whole hill-climbing thing took away from it, just like it did from the Jagermech. Yes I know that you can slap jets on some of them, but it's not the same .

2: They broke my heart by not naming the Hero mech the 69.

It is an excellent mech otherwise, though.

MischiefSC, on 12 July 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

Griffin.

Don't listen to this guy, or Bishop Steiner, though.

Either Shadow Hawk or BJ.

[FupDup]

Shadow Hawk or Griffin are your best choices for Inner Sphere mediums.

[Sephlock]

I guess the BJ has the added benefit of triggering a Bevis and Butthead laugh in your head every time it is mentioned... or is that just me?

(It's like my own personal warhorn!)

[Wolfways]

No love for the HBK?
I like my stock-weapon HBK-4G.

[Zolaz]

Griffon with LRMs. There are some maps you will just own. Dont forget a TAG and hide in the shadow cast by Timber Wolves and the other higher priority targets. There are some secrets to scoring well with LRMs. When you start doing damage, you will understand.

[MischiefSC]

The BJ is a great mech - if you are good with mediums. It's a fast, hard striker that's very fragile.

It's not forgiving though. At all. Fast but small engines mean less heatsinks on average. It runs pretty hot and has a wide, laser-welcoming torso. No real arms to speak of for pivoting away to spread damage. When someone can shoot you they will, they'll likely hit and you've only got about 1 or maybe 2 more hits you can take than a Jenner can while only having 66% of his speed.

Griffin. It plays more like a heavy than a light and with shield arms and significantly better armor it's a lot more forgiving.

[Pjwned]

Shadowhawk is excellent if you want something bigger & versatile that can still go pretty fast with a big enough engine crammed in, but it depends on how you want to play really.

[Tezcatli]

Not the Trebucket. It's too damn tall and it's torsos are wide for a medium. So it's a a big bullseye. It's okay if you want to load up SRMs. But a Shadow Hawk can do the same with 5 more tons. Generally speaking the Shadow Hawk is awesome. Over the shoulder cannon without the massive hunch of the Hunchback. JJs, enough missile slots for SRM or LRM support, and the usual energy hard point.

I'll add that I've played most of the Trebuchet variants. I even have le Loup De Guerre. I run it with an LRM20, 3xSRM2, tag, Medium laser, and an XL300. It's height and torso size make it an easy target. So prefer to support with LRM and move with SRMs once LRMs are out.

The Blackjack is my absolute favorite mech. Though I prefer the 1X with an XL 275 for high speed. Boat it up with medium lasers and a large laser. It's a great harasser. But you gotta be good at maneuvering.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Griffin you MUST carry a large engine 300+ if you want to have any luck with.
They leg easy, just like the Quickdraw, so if you're going to be jetting around alot, just be prepared to see your legs melt fast.

BlackJacks I never understood the mentality behind the NON JJ equipped variants having much narrower Torso range.

IMO, it should be completely opposite, the BJ-1 and BJ-3 with JJ's "should" be the variants with narrowed torso twist ranges, the groundpounders with no JJ's should have the advantage in torso twist range being greater than 90.

Edited by Mister D, 12 July 2014 - 03:48 PM.

[LauLiao]

I'll throw my vote in for the Blackjack. If you're used to running fast agile light mechs, it's really either BJ or Cicada, and the Cicada is just an overfed light. Yeah, as Mischief pointed out, BJs can be quite fragile, but I expect that the OP, coming from lights, is used to avoiding fire rather than absorbing it, and the BJ's high mounted arms make for a nice peek-a-boo, hit and run mech.

[TLBFestus]

If you like lights, and want to enjoy speed with a bit more punch, depending on your variant, I like my Cicadas.

That, and being an old school Founder I still like my Hunchbacks.

[Monkey Lover]

hawk or griffin or maybe ecm cda.

[Sephlock]

TLBFestus, on 12 July 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

If you like lights, and want to enjoy speed with a bit more punch, depending on your variant, I like my Cicadas.

That, and being an old school Founder I still like my Hunchbacks.

Nothing like knowing that you're piloting an inferior, flightless Jenner .