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[Sprouticus]

Ok, not really. Just stirring the pot.


But the Kitfox IS a terrific light. People who denagrate it just don't understand it IMO.


1) It is NOT a scout mech. It is too slow to be a scout mech. Even with ECM.
2) It is not a harasser mech. It cannot disengage fast enough (speed), nor is it nimble enough to stay behind heavies.
3) It is not a sniping mech. In spite of the ECM + 2xERLL build. Again, speed prevents it from repositioning quickly enough to be effective. Plus an IS light can hunt it down and take it out easily


Basically all the light pilots out there who are used to running what has become the standard IS light tactics will have to adjust their play when in a kitfox

1) You are primarily a support mech. ECM + 3 AMS + the decay module and UAV is the standard support equipment I bring. You HAVE to stay near the majority of your group. On occasion you can move with a flanking group to give them an ECM bubble, but 9 times out of 10 STAY WITH THE FATTIES. Also, stay behind cover most of the time. You are really quishy, and everyone knows to take out your right ARM. I almost never expose myself unelss I am fairly confident the enemy is focused on another mech or we have numerical advantages and I will be a secondary or tertiary target. I find that UAV's are amazing, especially in the solo queue. PUGS react differently when they know exactly where the enemy is and if they can push safely.

2) In spite of being primarily a support mech, the kitfox can rack up a LOT of damage. 1 ERLL/2ERML/2MG/2JJ is a GREAT build for carving up enemy mechs. If you follow the rules in #1, you will often be able to do a great deal of damage. Not always though. I had a drop yesterday where I got 23 damage. I didnt die, and we won, but I was never able to put any lasers on target. #1 above take precedence. But I contributed a LOT to our victory. (ECM is OP, AMS is awesome, etc

If you do not like playing the support escort role, leave the kitfox in the mechbay. It take a specific mindset to play this role, and some folks just are not good at it. (just like some of us are not good snipers).



Last comment: When leveling the kitfox, savior kill and UAV XP is your friend. I had drops many many of 4k+ XP while leveling my kitfoxes this week (Premium + 2x bonus). They are actually quite easy to level in spite of their limit offensive ability.

[Monkey Lover]

Here are my kitfox games

Starts jump around having some fun
30 seconds in
One hit 50% weapons gone
3 minutes
Hit #2 all weapons gone

Spend rest of the game locking.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 13 July 2014 - 08:02 AM.

[SgtMagor]

Kit Fox, wing man to cover your six, 10-4 good buddy!

[Mizore]

Yeah, just like the Raven-3L with stock-loadout... too slow, no AMS, much less firepower, no JJs and who cares about ECM?
Could that be a scout?
Hmm... I guess yes, that could be a perfect scout mech in my oppinion, you just need to know what to do!

Most mechs have more than just one role they can perform!
Just to stay with the fatties is only one way how you can use the Kitfox, but to tell everyone that's the only way to go is just dumb...

Sprouticus, on 13 July 2014 - 07:51 AM, said:

1) It is NOT a scout mech. It is too slow to be a scout mech. Even with ECM.
2) It is not a harasser mech. It cannot disengage fast enough (speed), nor is it nimble enough to stay behind heavies.
3) It is not a sniping mech. In spite of the ECM + 2xERLL build. Again, speed prevents it from repositioning quickly enough to be effective. Plus an IS light can hunt it down and take it out easily

Each of this 3 roles is fine, at least for me... if you dissagree, I think you're quite narrow-minded and don't accept other's oppinions.

Sorry to provoke you, but I hate that kind of people who think only their oppinion is the only truth.

Edited by Mizore, 13 July 2014 - 08:11 AM.

[Ultimax]

Look I think the Kit Fox is decent but the hard truth about the Kit Fox is this.

The Kit Fox is not great nor is it really a support mech.

The Kit Fox with ECM is a great little support mech.


Really it's ECM, and not the Kit Fox itself.

Without ECM the Kit Fox is basically an Adder with Jump Jets.

[r4plez]

OP stop making stupid thread titles - this is child play.

I stopped reading this after: "Ok, not really. Just stirring the pot"

Edited by r4plez, 13 July 2014 - 08:21 AM.

[Sprouticus]

Mizore, on 13 July 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

Yeah, just like the Raven-3L with stock-loadout... too slow, no AMS, much less firepower, no JJs and who cares about ECM?
Could that be a scout?
Hmm... I guess yes, that could be a perfect scout mech in my oppinion, you just need to know what to do!

Most mechs have more than just one role they can perform!
Just to stay with the fatties is only one way how you can use the Kitfox, but to tell everyone that's the only way to go is just dumb...


Each of this 3 roles is fine, at least for me... if you dissagree, I think you're quite narrow-minded and don't accept other's oppinions.

Sorry to provoke you, but I hate that kind of people who think only their oppinion is the only truth.

Fair point, but all you need to do is look ay Monkey Lovers post above, most people cant really run it as a classic scout mech. If you can, that is the exception, not the rule. AQnd frankly you would probably do better running it as a support mech.

[Turist0AT]

Damn, just sharpend my weapons and it was a false alarm, you got me there OP.

Now, what are we talking about?

Edited by Turist0AT, 13 July 2014 - 08:22 AM.

[Sprouticus]

Ultimatum X, on 13 July 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

Look I think the Kit Fox is decent but the hard truth about the Kit Fox is this.

The Kit Fox is not great nor is it really a support mech.

The Kit Fox with ECM is a great little support mech.


Really it's ECM, and not the Kit Fox itself.

Without ECM the Kit Fox is basically an Adder with Jump Jets.

You have a point, but the mg's are also pretty useful for close range support. Add to that the 3xAMs and maybe BAO if that floats your boat, and you have a terrific support mech.

But yea, ECM is OP, not denying that.

[Mizore]

I'm just curious how many Kitfoxes there are without ECM... would be interesting to know...

This is the mech where it becomes obvious, if ECM is overpowered or not, because here you have to choice to take it on all variants.

Edited by Mizore, 13 July 2014 - 08:28 AM.

[FupDup]

Mizore, on 13 July 2014 - 08:26 AM, said:

I'm just curious how many Kitfoxes there are without ECM... would be interesting to know...

This is the mech where it becomes obvious, if ECM is overpowered or not, because here you have to choice to take it on all variants.

I actually see a lot of Kit Fockses without ECM, and they almost always die an early and painful death. Probably because they don't know the game very well, if they don't realize their mech can use ECM...

[Mcgral18]

Cute Fox OP, plz nerf.

Someone did complain about the OP P2W mechs in this match, while half a Timberwolf was running. I never thought I'd see the day where Cute Foxes were called OP...I hope it was tongue in cheek.

Of course this game isn't the norm, though in the PUG queue, whenever I bring the Cute Fox I am almost always in the top half of the scoreboard...but that might not be saying much, since 4 people normally fail to break double digits.

Mizore, on 13 July 2014 - 08:26 AM, said:

I'm just curious how many Kitfoxes there are without ECM... would be interesting to know...

This is the mech where it becomes obvious, if ECM is overpowered or not, because here you have to choice to take it on all variants.

I do have a 4 MPL Cute Fox, which is just under 30 damage and deals it slightly faster than an ML. It tends to do well enough, and I don't miss the ECM when I run it.

All the others have 3 lasers, ECM and either an AC5 or 2, LBx or Ultra. There is that one UAC10 build...but that one is purely for Dakka.

[HBizzle]

I call this the NARCFox




I run this with Radar Dep, and the Enhanced NARC modules. I would describe it not as a scout, but a spotter. I get close, pop tart, find their ECM mech, shoot NARC and the PPC on the fall back down, and then turn tail and run while calling out the target on Teamspeak. Good times. We can eviscerate better teams and better pilots this way and helps my unit out a lot. Also a lot of fun to play.

[Bishop Steiner]

it also is very useful when your Kitfox packs a NARC. In CGB, I regularly drop with a chap who's Kitfox is huge to our success, between ecm, ams and narcing.

[Felbombling]

FupDup, on 13 July 2014 - 08:38 AM, said:

I actually see a lot of Kit Fockses without ECM, and they almost always die an early and painful death. Probably because they don't know the game very well, if they don't realize their mech can use ECM...

Or the Mech Lab is confusing enough that they haven't found Omni Pods yet.

[Koniks]

Sprouticus, on 13 July 2014 - 07:51 AM, said:

1) It is NOT a scout mech. It is too slow to be a scout mech. Even with ECM.
2) It is not a harasser mech. It cannot disengage fast enough (speed), nor is it nimble enough to stay behind heavies.
3) It is not a sniping mech. In spite of the ECM + 2xERLL build. Again, speed prevents it from repositioning quickly enough to be effective. Plus an IS light can hunt it down and take it out easily

It's not the best light for any of those roles but it can do them just fine as long as it's not doing them alone. 107kph is plenty of speed. Just make sure you have a Stormcrow for company.

[Felio]

The Raven-3L and Spider-5D can give ECM bubble, too, and scout and snipe and everything else the OP says the Kit Fox should not do.

They are also a whole lot better at launching UAV. Because it goes straight up at your location, you need to get the heck out of Dodge.

[HBizzle]

Felio, on 13 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

The Raven-3L and Spider-5D can give ECM bubble, too, and scout and snipe and everything else the OP says the Kit Fox should not do.

They are also a whole lot better at launching UAV. Because it goes straight up at your location, you need to get the heck out of Dodge.

Yup. Screw using a UAV when I have NARC and the NARC Module. Can direct fire to pick off the ECM boats or the weak.

[Bishop Steiner]

Felio, on 13 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

The Raven-3L and Spider-5D can give ECM bubble, too, and scout and snipe and everything else the OP says the Kit Fox should not do.

They are also a whole lot better at launching UAV. Because it goes straight up at your location, you need to get the heck out of Dodge.

really? Remind me which raven or spider can pack triple AMS, again?
Yeah, your fatties who know what they are doing will almost invariably prefer the Kitfox. Especially since it's pretty much a given that the Raven and Spider will be NOWHERE near the group, and actually supporting anyone, 90% of the time.

[Monkey Lover]

HBizzle, on 13 July 2014 - 08:48 AM, said:

Yup. Screw using a UAV when I have NARC and the NARC Module. Can direct fire to pick off the ECM boats or the weak.

Raven better narc mech for me. When I narc-ed with the kitfox I had to stay in the pack with support. When I use a raven I can run around the back without getting killed when I get spotted.